Page 4 of 5 FirstFirst ... 2345 LastLast
Results 31 to 40 of 41

Thread: troubled vegetarian..please help.. page 4

  1. #31
    OnTheBayou's Avatar
    OnTheBayou is offline Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Location
    Sarasota, Florida, USA, Earth, Milky Way Galaxy
    Posts
    152

    1

    Primal Fuel


    DMM, how does "the sheer volume of animals" equate into some moral parameter? There are more people nowadays, too.


    We do kill our pets. We put them to sleep, ya know? Not unlike stunning the cattle?


    To throw in the disdain about making a profit give insight as to the lack of ration taking place. That's evil? Do you have job? Thank profit, even if you work for the government.


    Why is an animal of higher life form than the vegetables we eat? Because they are closer to us, biologically? Maybe that tomato is screaming as it gets sliced. We don't know, but it is just as much a living thing as the cow is.


    Animals are here. That's all. They aren't anything "more" than their existence, which might include being food. Neither are we.


  2. #32
    seize18's Avatar
    seize18 Guest

    1



    thank you guys for talking about the ethical treatment of animals...and OnTheBayou..maybe you're right about the tamato...but you have to admit, most of the animals we eat, thanks to corporations, are in a constant state of suffering...


  3. #33
    Acmebike's Avatar
    Acmebike is offline Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2009
    Posts
    90

    1



    A great website to peruse is Temple Grandin's website on humane treatment for livestock. A bit dry as it is technical scholarly information, not entertainment in the least. But spend a cup of coffee or two having a look around:


    http://www.grandin.com/


  4. #34
    Sue's Avatar
    Sue
    Sue is offline Senior Member
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Posts
    1,368

    1



    "most of the animals we eat, thanks to corporations, are in a constant state of suffering..."


    PETA brings that to our attention but it should be so that changes can be made not to make everyone vegetarians.


    If you live on a farm or in a village you don't grow up with this fantasy that animals are all lovely little talking creatures like bambi.

    You grow your own vegetables, keep a cow for milk and cheese, keep a pig, a sheep etc - feed it and then slaughter it when the time comes. Its a normal part of life in a village where my parents came from.


  5. #35
    Pikaia's Avatar
    Pikaia is offline Junior Member
    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    Posts
    2

    1



    I think PETA gets that now. Of course they'd like us all to be vegetarians, but if you check out their website and their YouTube channel, your initial impressions will probably have more to do with fur, lab animals, and mistreated pets than going veggie.


  6. #36
    Osa007's Avatar
    Osa007 Guest

    1



    Just wanted to chime in that you seem to be having difficulty with all that cellulose & fiber in veggies...I'd skip fruits entirely for awhile because of the sugars. Add fat to your diet - it'll help with constipation. Gelatin is also soothing to the GI tract. Do not cook with canola oil! Go to westonaprice.org & read the 'great con-ola' article.

    I'd suggest bacon & eggs, with added butter in the pan - or an omelete - add cream & avocado when whisking. Lunch, maybe a chicken drumstick/thigh, eat the skin! with perhaps a small well baked sweet potato with lots of butter, then dinner a small rare steak (with bernaise if you're up for it) and cream of broccoli soup....just an idea menu to get fat up, protein up and carbs relatively low. I had the problems you are suffering when I was a vegetarian - the less veggies/fruit the better...and veggies need to be well-cooked & with good fats to go down well. I think dairy shouldn't be a problem if you stick to butter & cream...maybe a little cheese but, I'd try skipping it at first...see how you feel. I'd stay away from raw veggies for a good long while... Hope this helps!


  7. #37
    Del Mar Mel's Avatar
    Del Mar Mel Guest

    1



    OTB, I have to assume that you have not ever bothered to watch any footage of CAFO or slaughter house operations. The point I'm making is that animals should be raised in a healthy environment and be put down in a humane way. The way it is supposed to happen is not quite how it goes down and that is due to sheer laziness and greed. We are obviously producing tons of meat to send thru all these fast food establishments and offer yards and yards of meats in the grocery store. Commit to pastured meat and eat less if need be. We vote with our dollars/ choices but possibly you just don't give a shit.


    And yes, I'm self employed. I very well understand the forces of greed and laziness. At the end of the day, the way one operates pretty well displays one's soul. I see it over and over again and usually in one way or another, people get their karmic returns. A little consciousness goes a long way.


    I really appreciate all of those that have supported the humane treatment of animals and responsible choices on this thread. I had a good conversation about it with a friend today and we concluded that if more people really understood how their food came to be and what they are ingesting, they would opt to spend a bit more.


  8. #38
    OnTheBayou's Avatar
    OnTheBayou is offline Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Location
    Sarasota, Florida, USA, Earth, Milky Way Galaxy
    Posts
    152

    1



    DMM, I have watched some of the videos.


    Please tell me HOW the slaughtering process may be improved. You just keep saying it's bad.


    If one eats, one kills, one impacts the earth. You can't excape it. Even fishing causes pain.


    I think most would agree that obsession with profits and money is unhealthy at many levels, and certainly spiritual. But I'm still at a loss how slaughtering for profit makes Swift & Co. less pure than whatever it is that you are envisioning.


  9. #39
    musajen's Avatar
    musajen is offline Junior Member
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Posts
    27

    1



    Something interesting to note about PETA (though I'm loathe to actually say anything nice about them) is that they will work with animal slaughter facilities to make sure it is humane for the animals.


    We have a huge turkey plant in my area and when they were building they worked closely with PETA so that the slaughter process was as humane as possible.


    The companies do have a vested interest in making the animals as calm as possible during slaughter as fear (and the chemicals fear releases into the system) will negatively effect the flavor of the meat.


    And even though I've never really understood the depth of the compassion moral vegetarians feel for animals (I just don't get it) I don't want my dinner to suffer unnecessarily before meeting my plate; in life or in slaughter. So I'm glad for the companies that do approach this process humanely.


    Now if only it were more cost effective to live on humanely raised/slaughter meat.


  10. #40
    OnTheBayou's Avatar
    OnTheBayou is offline Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Location
    Sarasota, Florida, USA, Earth, Milky Way Galaxy
    Posts
    152

    1

    PrimalCon New York


    musajen, I wasn't aware of that, about PETA.


    I am ALL for keeping our food animals healthy and content and blissfully unaware of their fates. It's just right thing to do even if we can't find a moral imperative as to why this might be.


    I'm going to guess that the bovine species would not exist if not for the symbiotic relationship with man.


    Maybe just a variant of The Golden Rule?


Page 4 of 5 FirstFirst ... 2345 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •