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    After reading many posts, I am a bit confused about the importance of veggies and protein in this diet... I mean, I thought protein is first, so I was eating a lot of protein and quite fat too, but less than protein. And much less veggies. Actually, I used to eat a looot of veggies and some fruit too, and now I changed to eat a lot of protein (eggs and bacon in the morning, more meat and a small porton of veggies for lunch, and more protein for dinner, tipically with some dairy, some veggies too), and no fruit at all (trying to lose some fat now )

    I am sure I am doing something wrong...

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    Quote Originally Posted by eri View Post
    After reading many posts, I am a bit confused about the importance of veggies and protein in this diet
    Read the primal blueprint book. Or Mark Sisson's daily posts. Or the posts linked by Mark in the "Start Here" post (button is in the green bar at the top).

    The forum is confusing, lots of people here aren't really following the primal blueprint, but some personal variant of it.
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    > "The forum is confusing, lots of people here aren't really following the primal blueprint, but some personal variant of it."

    I see... : / yeah, I agree...
    I also was wondering if what I'm doing is wrong because I also didnt experienced any weight loss...

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    you should be eating more fat than protein, and more protein than veggies, more veggies than fruit, from what I understand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eri View Post
    > "The forum is confusing, lots of people here aren't really following the primal blueprint, but some personal variant of it."
    I see... : / yeah, I agree...
    I also was wondering if what I'm doing is wrong because I also didnt experienced any weight loss...
    Everyone's body is different. For starters, check out the basic Primal 101 blog post and the Newbies sticky thread, as well as the book. As a holdover until you get that far, your plate should be at least half (preferably 3/4) nonstarchy veggies, the rest of it meat/ eggs/ fish, all liberally dosed with your primal fat of choice. That's by volume. By calories, the majority of your intake will be fat. By volume, the majority should be veggies. Meat is second on the list in both cases.
    Weight loss is also a highly individual thing. Worry about feeling better and getting your body working right first, then, once you're settled in, start angling towards fat loss, if it isn't happening already.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Bork Bork View Post
    you should be eating more fat than protein, and more protein than veggies, more veggies than fruit, from what I understand.
    exactly. the importance of veggies is for the very good natural carbs and all the nutrients. you must understand what your eating what its doing to your body! remember your body will use either fat or carbs for fuel but fat slows digestion so if you include a healthy fat with every meal you will have more time to burn the food off as energy rather than store it. thats a little trick!

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    I dunno, if you go by the primal blue print you should be eating more veggies than anything at least in pure volume. Your macro nutrient profile should look like Fat>protien>carbs in calories but that doesn't mean you should be necessarily eating more volume of fat and meat than veggies since its very hard to go overboard on them to the point you bring your carbs above what they should be.

    Basically, LOTS of veggies, a good amount of fat and a good amount of protein, limited fruit, no grains.

    I still have problems with the lots of veggies myself. Usually do the big ass salad for lunch and a few servings at dinner.

    If you're not losing weight track your eating on something like fit day for a while and see just what you're doing for calories and macro nutrient profile. Then you'll have a lot better information for us.

    Things that typically can hurt: Nuts are one of the few fats that are easy to over eat. Be careful with them for this reason. A lot of times they are used as a vehicle for salt, so if you have problems over eating them try unsalted versions.

    Fruit can bring your carbs up to a point where you are over the point you want to be at to lose weight. Berries are better than citrus or starchy fruits but still watch your overall intake if your goal is to lose weight.

    Dairy, if you can digest it can be an issue. Its a drink your calories issue. If you're drinking a lot of milk you can up your carbs and up your overall calories. If you don't give your body time to digest and feel the effects of your drink you can again over indulge before you realize it, similar to nuts.

    One thing that's nice about eating lots of veggies is it gives you a high volume of food for a very low caloric and carb impact. It makes you FEEL full so you stop eating and fat makes you caloric-ally full so you don't get the cravings later on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by naiadknight View Post
    As a holdover until you get that far, your plate should be at least half (preferably 3/4) nonstarchy veggies, the rest of it meat/ eggs/ fish, all liberally dosed with your primal fat of choice. That's by volume. By calories, the majority of your intake will be fat. By volume, the majority should be veggies. Meat is second on the list in both cases.
    This. My long winded post basically means this, by volume you want veggies as the most but it wont be by calories, fat will be. Also remember fat per gram is 9 calories and protein and carbs are 4. So you don't need as much fat volume as you would think to get your fat calories to where they should be.

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    I can eat an entire bunch of broccoli rabe, swiss chard, broccoli, whatever nutrient-rich green with my protein... There is no reason to skimp on veggies ever, the carb count is so negligible especially compared to the nutritional benefits

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    Thank you for your advices!!

    I was adding more veggies to my meals this last days and, surprisingly, I felt less hungry than when I ate more protein... how is this possible?? I thought protein gives you a better feeling of "being full" than good carbs.
    Also, since I eat more veggies, i feel like my weight is decreasing. I am thinking that maybe I was eating too many calories, putting too much volume of protein in my meals in order to make me satisfied (because, as I said, I added very few veggies and try to center on protein).

    Anyways, thanks to everybody

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