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    So I am "too hard" on myself. Not a new relationship goes by where at some point those words are not uttered by the person i am communicating with. Well I come by it honestly. Both parents were demanding and perfectionist in thier own ways. Being a "gifted" child puts a shit ton of strain on you esp when your teachers dont realize that you are barely holding it together due to familial abuse and societal pressure and all they can see is that "young Jonathan is not appying himself". When at the age of seventeen you have to begin providing your sole support with little education in a place where people would prefer you not be.
    you tend to become self critical. To hold yourself to a higher standard. to succeed at all cost as success gives the easy allure of a better life than you are currently experineceing...
    I come by it honstly.
    If anything i have to fight the beleif that i am not hard enough on myself, that each misstep could hav been avoided, that each error in judgement is inexcusable. I dont fight that beleife strongly. I give into that dark side way to often for even my own tastes, but the allure of perfection is strong.If only i was up to the challenge.
    30 years of hardassedness have elapsed and while i have achived much i also have failed in an equivalent amount, and i have yet to achive my true desire , the only goal i truly care about.

    The accepted definition of crazy is doing the same things over and over and expecting different results. But how in the name of Rudy can i expect that by being kind to myself, being gentle and less critical that my weight will "magically" go away on its own? Or do i just have to give up puruit of that particular brand of self satisfaction and happiness.

    When i filed for divorce the sad truth was I had spent 13 miserable years with a woman who refused to change her behaviour and I refused to do another 13 in the same manner. Seven years later and I am still single, and not exactly loving that fact but by god i dont have to deal with her anymore.

    After 30 years of pursuing a goal that refuses solution i suppose i must also divorce myself from the expectaiton that i will ever truly enjoy the body i am in. I cant leave it, but i refuse to ddo the same thing over and over agian and expect a different result.

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    I feel that I understand completely, esp. how can we believe that being less critical and more gentle will bring about the changes we desire. Maybe there's a balance of pushing oneself to be better, while accepting that you are flawed, you are limited, and you will make mistakes, but that's no reason to stop trying. But maybe it's all the same anyway, since I don't really see being hard on myself as being "mean" to myself. It's just the truth: I *could* be trying harder.
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    I know its difficult for people who have suffered through abuse to believe this but constantly thinking of the abuse and or rehashing it in your mind does not bring about change. It's not your fault this happened. Its your parents fault or insert said abuser here. Some people do not know how to unlearn certain behaviors. You have to learn how to love yourself enough to fight for what you want. What happened in the past, is well, just that, the past. You determine your future, not what whomever did or said to scar you and you went through some unbelievable shit Quelsen. I tip my hat to you. You really have come a long way. Its taken 20 odd years for me to learn it, hopefully in time, you will too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by geostump View Post
    I know its difficult for people who have suffered through abuse to believe this but constantly thinking of the abuse and or rehashing it in your mind does not bring about change. It's not your fault this happened. Its your parents fault or insert said abuser here. Some people do not know how to unlearn certain behaviors. You have to learn how to love yourself enough to fight for what you want. What happened in the past, is well, just that, the past. You determine your future, not what whomever did or said to scar you and you went through some unbelievable shit Quelsen. I tip my hat to you. You really have come a long way. Its taken 20 odd years for me to learn it, hopefully in time, you will too.
    i just want to be a normal human size.

    I keep hoping for some indication of positive change.


    what was this tipping point, an eight pound gain overnight. which is still there two days later. Sort of the straw on the camel. I must be doing something wrong, but i cant figure out what.

    This is too complicated. I am beginning to think it is just not in my cards to have what i want.
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    Quote Originally Posted by quelsen View Post
    i just want to be a normal human size.

    I keep hoping for some indication of positive change.


    what was this tipping point, an eight pound gain overnight. which is still there two days later. Sort of the straw on the camel. I must be doing something wrong, but i cant figure out what.

    This is too complicated. I am beginning to think it is just not in my cards to have what i want.
    I understand. Have been there so many times myself. Sometimes, just a little patience is all we need. And you've probably heard that a million and a half times lol. There a comes a time that you must become comfortable in your own skin, with who you are and what you've been through that may seem impossible. I believe you can do it. The question is thus. Do you believe YOU can do it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by geostump View Post
    I understand. Have been there so many times myself. Sometimes, just a little patience is all we need. And you've probably heard that a million and a half times lol. There a comes a time that you must become comfortable in your own skin, with who you are and what you've been through that may seem impossible. I believe you can do it. The question is thus. Do you believe YOU can do it?
    In many things i am a mature responcible adult, in this i am an two year old in a screaming rage.

    I have never been a normal size. never been accepted ( first by my peers then later by myself ) becasue of my size and if i I were able to cut it all off at once without dying i would

    Most days i grin and bear it. Lately it has been pressing on me awful hard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by quelsen View Post
    In many things i am a mature responcible adult, in this i am an two year old in a screaming rage.

    I have never been a normal size. never been accepted ( first by my peers then later by myself ) becasue of my size and if i I were able to cut it all off at once without dying i would

    Most days i grin and bear it. Lately it has been pressing on me awful hard.
    Same here with me. I'm just finally starting to see results with this after being primal for 7 months. You've made a lot of headway though. That is something to be very, very proud of.
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    I have not been in your place. I can't offer more than the others have, except . . . hugs man!
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    It is also well known in psychiatry and sleep literature that patients with narcolepsy-cataplexy are extremely resistant to all forms of drug abuse but not to obesity! It is clear that the HC neurons are extremely important in energy balance and sleep. It appears this is the tract in the brain where dual control funnels down to. It also helps explain why most people who are obese also tend to have central sleep apnea. Central administration of orexin A/hypocretin-1 strongly promotes wakefulness, increases body temperature, locomotion, and elicits a strong increase in energy expenditure. This is what one sees in extreme leptin sensitivity with UCP1 and UCP3 uncoupling. Sleep deprivation also increases orexin A/hypocretin-1 transmission. The orexin/hypocretin system may thus be more important in the regulation of energy expenditure than food intake. In fact, orexin/hypocretin-deficient narcoleptic patients have increased obesity rather than decreased BMI, as would be expected if orexin/hypocretin were primarily an appetite stimulating peptide. In humans, narcolepsy is associated with a specific variant of the human leukocyte antigen (HLA) complex. Furthermore, genome-wide analysis shows that, in addition to the HLA variant, narcoleptic humans also exhibit a specific genetic mutation in the T-cell receptor alpha locus. In conjunction, these genetic anomalies cause the autoimmune system to attack and kill the critical hypocretin neurons. Hence the absence of hypocretin-producing neurons in narcoleptic humans may be the result of an autoimmune disorder. This could occur via a defect in molecular mimicry as seen in the leaky gut due to toll receptor proteins. Similar mechanisms are seen in Celiac disease, Hashimoto’s thyroiditis, Crohn’s disease, and psychiatric disorders such as GAPS. - Dr Jack Kruse
    Well fuck me running lets see

    Resistant to Addictions, Check
    Obesity, Check
    Sleep Apnea, Check
    Adrenal Fatigue, Check
    High Cortisol, Check
    Normal Thyroid Panels with abnormal response, Check
    Depressive, Check

    On my mothers side of the family puberty is that time in your life where you body decides to go to hell. My aunt lost all her hair, everywhere and it never returned. Now that I look back at her (she is long dead from it) she probably had Hashimoto's and Celiacs. However being an extremely poor and uneducated single woman on government cheese she never stood a chance.

    well at least now i have a solid clue
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    I have had great success with HCG. All of my reduction has come directly from the HCG and no other source. I want to share my experience, and to start I want to clarify something.

    There are two products available. Rx Grade HCG and Homeopathic HCG.

    Rx HCG works by introducing actual Human Chorionic Gonadotropin into your system and it begins to regulate your lipid metabolism via main action.

    hHCG works by encouraging your own body to produce additional HCG.

    These are two very huge differences. The hHCG approach assumes that your own body is healthy enough to allow production of additional HCG to support your weight loss goal. IMHO if you are looking to remove between 15 and 30 pounds this may work for you. If you are looking to remove that amount I have begun recommending a Primal Lifestyle and Body by Science for 3 months to see if that will start you in the right direction, if not by all means look into hHCG.

    For those who like me are more than 30 pounds over that they feel is idea. (I no longer look at the BMI charts for anything more than a reference point as those numbers were created by averaging young men and women just out of basic after WWI and WWII) I support RxHCG + Primal + Body by Science.

    These are no more than tools to accomplish a goal. Those who ware +30 or more have a serious metabolic imbalance. The primary cause of this shall be determined by genetics and lifestyle but in the main it is an imbalance that either was always outside their control or became outside their control. Being obese is much like turning to the dark side of the force.
    "Once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny, consume you it will."
    It takes no effort to remain obese; the mechanism of the body will sustain that all on its own. It takes an intervention at a metabolic level.

    IMHO 95% of the obese did not choose to become so. Not consciously at least. But once the tipping point is reached food intake becomes irrelevant. RxHCG halts and modifies the broken metabolism and provides momentum the other way.

    This should never be assumed to be the entire solution. We don’t yet have enough data to show if a human organism can actually heal from obesity or it once they become obese if the organism will forever trend toward obesity. Anecdotal data says the body wants to return to its energy storing ways once it gets a taste for it. I personally assume that my body will always WANT to store' I also hope that I can create an environment where it will choose to spend.

    RxHCG should always be taken in accord with the principals espoused in Pounds and Inches by Dr A T W Simeons. Until one completes one round "by the book" one cannot know how to deviate from it. For some individuals deviations are not only desired but may be required for success; others do very well following the protocol as written.

    The protocol is written has the following parts. A loading phase, a reduction phase, and stabilization phase.

    In the loading phase the individual should bulk up on saturated fat. Ideally one would want to consume enough saturated fat for 2 days of energy expenditure. RxHCG is taken during this loading phase which is a minimum of 2 days and no greater than 5. It is expected and assumed that one will gain weight during this loading period and that weight will be counted as part of the overall loss. IMHO this is where most people fail. They either load on the wrong foods, or do not load enough, or refuse to count that gain as part of the loss. This last one is a psychological blow to most obese people, as they don’t want to gain in the first place and have trouble accepting it as a requirement.

    In the reduction phase an individual is restricted to a daily INTAKE of 500 calories as shown below, while applying HCG hormone at a specific dosage daily. This can be applied sublingually, subcutaneously, or intramuscularly. Studies show that each method is as effective as the others. Weight is recorded daily. While the intake is 500 calories the HCG will release the fat stores to compensate for the lack of calories eaten. This regimen is followed for 20 or 40 days depending on the goals of the individual. Anecdotal evidence is that 40 days is better for the stabilization phase, however it is not required. The final part of the reduction phase is a 3 days period of continuation of the eating plan while discontinuing the hormone regimen. If on the last day hunger is felt a modest increase to 800 calories of the same food plan is allowed.

    Breakfast:
    Tea or coffee in any quantity without sugar. Only one tablespoonful of milk allowed in 24 hours. Saccharin or Stevia may be used.

    Lunch:
    1. 100 grams of veal, beef, chicken breast, fresh white fish, lobster, crab, or shrimp. All visible fat must be carefully removed before cooking, and the meat must be weighed raw. It must be boiled or grilled without additional fat. Salmon, eel, tuna, herring, dried or pickled fish are not allowed. The chicken breast must be removed from the bird.

    2. One type of vegetable only to be chosen from the following: spinach, chard, chicory, beet-greens, green salad, tomatoes, celery, fennel, onions, red radishes, cucumbers, asparagus, cabbage.

    3. One breadstick (grissini) or one Melba toast.

    4. An apple, orange, or a handful of strawberries or one-half grapefruit.

    Dinner:
    The same four choices as lunch (above.)
    Finally is stabilization. Stabilization consists of essentially a Paleo/Primal diet of unlimited quantity. There are many ways to calculate basic caloric need but two stand out, and are listed below. Weight is recorded daily and an increase of more than 3 pounds (2 in the original protocol, however we see 3 or 4 today) must be managed by intermittent fasting (AKA Steak Day). Once the weight is seen on the scale one must refrain from eating till dinner and one must eat only steak (or other similar protein source) at a size of 1 oz per 20 pounds of body weight. The time for stabilization is 6 weeks + 2 weeks per additional round.

    Harris Benedict Equation
    English BMR Formula
    Women: BMR = 655 + (4.35 x weight in pounds) + (4.7 x height in inches) - (4.7 x age in years)

    Men: BMR = 66 + (6.23 x weight in pounds) + (12.7 x height in inches) - (6.8 x age in year)

    Metric BMR Formula
    Women: BMR = 655 + (9.6 x weight in kilos) + (1.8 x height in cm) - (4.7 x age in years)

    Men: BMR = 66 + (13.7 x weight in kilos) + (5 x height in cm) - (6.8 x age in years)
    Rule of Loss Equation
    Average the Rate of Loss from day 5 to the end of the reduction phase (either day 20 or 40) multiply that by 3500 and add 500.

    Weight Lost per day from 5 - (20 or 40)/ number of day (15 or 35) = ROL

    ROL*3500+500 = Minimum caloric need.
    I personally like the rule of loss as it tells you exactly what you body ACTUALLY burned daily during the reduction phase and so you know , on average, how much it needs to keep itself full. This is a minimum as it doesn’t account for activity, but that is fin, it is usually way more than they obese is used to eating and so requires an adjustment anyway.

    After the stabilization phase Simeons guides the individual to be careful adding what amounts to non Paleo/Primal food back into the diet. Each gain is noted and the offending food should be managed some way,most often there is some food intolerance to be managed.

    Nothing is easy, however HCG provides a manageable way to reduce for those of us who need it.
    Good luck on your journey.
    Last edited by quelsen; 08-03-2011 at 07:49 AM.
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