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    Yes to the consumption of grains or just a primal propaganda?

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    Hey I just read those article that supports that paleo men and especially spartans ate grains and we should, too or that the evidence we have is too little to convince ourselves that paleo men didn't eat grains,beans and legums. Here's the links:
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    http://thespartandiet.blogspot.com/2010/10/its-official-grains-were-part-of.html
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    http://www.leighpeele.com/the-paleo-diet-fad-religion-or-solution?ref=nf#
    What's your opinion on this subject?
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    Spartans were agricultural. So were many at the same time. What's your point?
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    There are also people that eat poop, doesn't make it GOOD for you.
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    Spartans were after the Mesopotamian era of domestication and cereal grain agriculture. They are nearly the same as pre 18th century US agriculture, better than S.A.D. but not nearly what primal is.

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    Last I checked the Spartans weren't in the paleolithic era. Regardless, the science, and more importantly, my body tells me the grains are bad. But feel free to conduct a self experiment and let us know your findings.

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    The source articles cited simply push back earliest use of grains - but by up to 105000 years ago. I don't have a problem with this as I've read 'Clan of the Cave Bear' (lol) but I've also looked at some of the research and early people collecting grains where they naturally occurred is not a problem for me.

    What isn't looked at is the difference between evolutionary advantage and health. Just because some humans used grains, which might have allowed them to survive, and thus reproduce, in no way means that these people were healthier than other groups of humans. In any case, our dentition and digestive system support theories of meat eating (and cooking) over grains, and investigation of the content of grains, and our digestive capability, again support theories of lack of evolutionary means to process them.

    The spartan diet looks a lot like WAPF, seems to have been stimulated by the movie and emphasises clean food and strength. It's kind of like a clayton's paleo.
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    the grains of today are NOT the same as the grains of hundreds of years ago..... whereas even 100 years ago....although not 'primal', wheat gluten, specifically, could have been tolerated.. today, the body isn't recognizing what it has morphed into due to man's intervention...and gluten intolerances are on the rise.....it's pretty sad what man has done to our food supply...watched a documentary last night on Monsanto...it sends chills up my spine what this company has done and will continue to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chia View Post
    the grains of today are NOT the same as the grains of hundreds of years ago..... whereas even 100 years ago....although not 'primal', wheat gluten, specifically, could have been tolerated.. today, the body isn't recognizing what it has morphed into due to man's intervention...and gluten intolerances are on the rise.....it's pretty sad what man has done to our food supply...watched a documentary last night on Monsanto...it sends chills up my spine what this company has done and will continue to do.
    Quite. Something like modern cheap wholegrain bread bears no resemblance to what bread was in those days.
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    Wow, there is so much logic fail in this thread it's hard to know where to begin. First of all, ancient wheat had gluten and wheat germ agglutinin in spades, and certainly caused the same issues in the distant past as it does now. Archaeogy has proven this. Non GMO wheat, soy, etc. is to be avoided. Monsanto is a separate and tragic issue. Second, the Spartans have nothing whatsoever to do with Paleo anything - and why would anyone think they would? Third, who cares if anyone ate grains in the past? They are not good for you, and we are not designed to handle them very well. That is all. Sheesh.
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    Kurt Harris said it best.. because something is tolerated doesnt mean its optimal. Why try to include something that "may not be that bad" when clearly there are better choices?

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