A thread wherein guys rant, complain, and chat about MANLY MAN THINGS page 175

[New Renaissance]

I'm really glad i posted that last post without reading the following pages. This thread is dead to me. We went from a perfectly funny gag thread about "guy stuff" to someone bagging on the military. Thank you Rivven for starting a great thread, but It's time to go. Die Thread. Die.

[Grumpycakes]

there's no reason for them to be obligated to carry out those roles if they're not interested in doing so since we're not living in the same environment as Grok or Grokette where the main purpose of life is simply survival.

"Obligation" is becoming a dirty word these days, anyway. Like "discipline" and "patience." We're in the midst of a great social experiment that I don't think has ever come along before at this magnitude. We have the resources and the technology to manipulate those resources to such a degree that, yes, the traditional roles of men and women are becoming obsolete, at least on the surface of things. But those traditional roles have been in place since before humans were humans. There is some serious neural hardwiring going on that a few decades can't possibly undo.

I may have mentioned before that I don't know of too many happy marriages, but the ones I do know of invariably have a strong leader and able provider doing a job he loves as the husband, and a home-loving nurturer as the wife (and they have three or four kids). The majority of the unhappy marriages I know of have both partners working, and the man unable to satisfy the woman mentally or sexually (usually because he is so damn overworked, but in one case he's just an ass).

Sometimes I think of it like this. A man and a woman as a couple are like an egg. The man is the outer shell and the woman is the yolk inside. The yolk needs the outer shell to keep it safe and to keep it contained in the proper shape for life to develop. But without the yolk, the shell has no purpose. And the hard shell gains some strength to absorb blows thanks to the yielding and soft yolk underneath. Without it, the shell would shatter very easily. Hokey enough for you?

[canio6]

The rape rate in the US is 0.4 per 1000

SSRN-Porn Up, Rape Down by Anthony D'Amato

Yeah, but I am too lazy to do the math to see how the military compares

[huntergirlhayden]

Mass-murder on a global scale offends me. Robbing productive people to pay for said mass-murder offends me. Expecting me to be thankful for this "service" really fucking offends me.

To be fair, there's nothing wrong with the ideal of a soldier: someone who's willing to selflessly fight and die to protect another. And sure there are individual examples of heroism in the military. But anyone with the faintest understanding of U.S. military history knows that's NOT what the military does. It's a corporatocratic machine that runs on the blood of innocent people. And us civilians are now in more danger than ever because of what you guys do. You are NOT protecting us.

And you betrayed yourself as a sexist, so why should I be nice?

Why should you be nice?
Because you prove nothing by insulting one member of the armed forces, a man who represents an organization that protects your ass, even if you don't like the way they do it. Getting mad at him is like getting mad at the gear on an engine inside a tank being directed by a madman. He is a gear in a machine, he is not the entire U.S. Military.You're not even really mad at the Military if you think about, you're mad at the government. I don't think Navy Seals are all up in your neighborhood shaking bishes down for milk money to pay for their new night goggles so they can raid compounds. But the IRS is all up in your paycheck, be mad at them.
Why should you be nice? Because this is the internet, you have the ability to be any damn thing you want to be here, and it shows a true lack of moral gumption when you abuse such a freedom. What are you when no ones looking...Oh, an ass.
You said you have nothing wrong with the idea of a soldier, the ideal, he may not be the ideal, I don't know, I don't know him. Neither do you. But we both know he's a soldier, so you should not be attacking him on that fact. Choose something else and come up with a reasonable argument for your point. Build a case and then we can all tar and feather him together, but only once we've separated him from his career.
What do you do for a living. Are you a mechanic? Because if you are I swear on my life, I hate you, I get screwed by mechanics and they always get my car dirty. Effing mechanics and their grease, all up in my vehicle not fixing it and shit. I like the idea of a mechanic though, someone who is knowledgeable about vehicles and will fix mine appropriately without getting grease on my steering wheel, but I'm always bitchy when I go to the shop because I assume that no matter what, I'll never get that ideal mechanic, I'll get the jack ass with the sagging drawers and dirty hands, dangit I can change out my radiator faster than that guy can...

[huntergirlhayden]

Oh, and just do piss a few more people off.
Surrendered Wife - Laura Doyle - Creating Happy Marriage Intimacy, Advice, Tips, Support, Books, Seminars

[Arikara6]

Chaohinon,
I have more than a faint idea of military history - I have two degrees in it. Let's be honest, you're not engaging in debate here - you're trying to lecture me - you've villified me and you have no idea who I am, or what I'm about.

Hell, I haven't even gotten into my logic as to why I believe what I believe about women in combat arms, and you've gone and top-roped me (that's a wrestling reference - I imagine that probably means I'm a redneck too, yeah?)

You've got me ALL figured out, don't you?

Listen, if we're not going to have a civil discourse, I'm not going to bother chatting you up. Ever read Voltaire? I've got a good quote for you:

"I may not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it."

Cheers partner...I'm done with this thread. I'm not going to sit here and get insulted.

[Dave_o]

Chaohinon,

Cheers partner...I'm done with this thread. I'm not going to sit here and get insulted.

...grace...

[Dave_o]

Oh, and just do piss a few more people off.
Surrendered Wife - Laura Doyle - Creating Happy Marriage Intimacy, Advice, Tips, Support, Books, Seminars

Wow..

I thought your thirteenth amendment put a stop to things like that..

[Pink Grokoddess]

"Obligation" is becoming a dirty word these days, anyway. Like "discipline" and "patience." We're in the midst of a great social experiment that I don't think has ever come along before at this magnitude. We have the resources and the technology to manipulate those resources to such a degree that, yes, the traditional roles of men and women are becoming obsolete, at least on the surface of things. But those traditional roles have been in place since before humans were humans. There is some serious neural hardwiring going on that a few decades can't possibly undo.

I may have mentioned before that I don't know of too many happy marriages, but the ones I do know of invariably have a strong leader and able provider doing a job he loves as the husband, and a home-loving nurturer as the wife (and they have three or four kids). The majority of the unhappy marriages I know of have both partners working, and the man unable to satisfy the woman mentally or sexually (usually because he is so damn overworked, but in one case he's just an ass).

Sometimes I think of it like this. A man and a woman as a couple are like an egg. The man is the outer shell and the woman is the yolk inside. The yolk needs the outer shell to keep it safe and to keep it contained in the proper shape for life to develop. But without the yolk, the shell has no purpose. And the hard shell gains some strength to absorb blows thanks to the yielding and soft yolk underneath. Without it, the shell would shatter very easily. Hokey enough for you?

This is nice..

[kenn]

Wow..

I thought your thirteenth amendment put a stop to things like that..

another logic fail