Well, I do count the coconut oil. Problem is I'm just estimating, as I don't measure, so I might be doing it a bit low. Like, if on a day I had a 950 calorie steak, plus 150-200 from coconut oil, that puts me at about the 1100-1150 mark. Maybe another couple hundred from my side dish.
Still feels crazy low. And then there are days like today. About 750, but with no coconut oil. I'll probably take some later along with a protein shake. But still, I'm almost always below 1400-1500.
As for my lean mass, when I did one of the things, it put me at like 190lbs of lean body mass. Which seems a bit crazy, but whatever.
Even in a 1lb steak, I'm still only getting like 90ish grams of protein. So that's still weeeell below the .7 grams if that's all I'm eating in a day.
Edit: And I mean, I'm fine not getting stronger necessarily, so long as I can keep my current muscle while losing mostly fat. I can always work on muscle later.
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And to add to it, I just went downstairs and my wife was eating a piece of pizza. And, immediately I thought "Oh yeah, I could polish off a few pieces of that no problem." And I could have. Didn't repulse me at all.
But then I made a shot of coconut oil and nearly gagged on it.
Its so weird. My body is like "Yeah, sorry, all the seats for fat and protein have been taken. Come back later."
But grains? Aaaaalllaboard!
I'm pretty low carb, but I have been eating one potato with my single meal. I use like a half stick of butter on it.....maybe that would help, unless you are relentless about staying in ketosis. Then that would not be an option.
Nope, Ketosis isn't a big deal. I love sweet potatoes, but haven't been making them a staple, simply because I'm paranoid about cravings coming back, I guess.
But that definitely might help get some extra calories in, since my body seems to react totally different to the thought of eating carbs or sweet things than meat and vegetables. Like right now, I could totally down some candy or a sweet potato or a cake. Doesn't sound bad at all. But more meat and I'd just stare at it, I think, unless it was like lunch meat or something.
Hm. Maybe I could try cottage cheese too. That still sounds appetizing.
Man, this is weird. I've never felt myself turn off to an entire food group, but still be hungry for others.
Pklopp, I dont think I have asked you before, but one other blog dude talked about eating fermented foods like sauerkraut while fasting (cant remember who offhand) and he got his information from the Perfect Diet. What is your take on that? Maybe I should read back, I might have already asked you that.
65lbs gone and counting!!
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Figure I'd mention that if your protein source (steak) is too lean that will definitely put a finite limit on how much of it you can eat. The leaner it is the less I can eat. We had some 75/25 ground beef....that is actually like 75% fat by calorie! I can eat a ton more of that than I can some lean round steak. If you wanna eat lean steak put a pat or two of butter on it....guaranteed to help you eat more . This goes to some research showing that in even a lean male our make up is approximately 75% fat and 25% protein by calorie. Eating in that ratio seems reasonable to me based on our makeup. Then the tator thing if it suits you. Good luck! I'm sure Pklopp will pop in at some time with some info.
Thanks a bunch for help, I really appreciate it!
I feel fine, so I know I've got nothing to worry about in the short term, but its still something I'd like to correct if I can.
Try weighing your ghee and see how much of it you use. I would expect you to be using in the vicinity of 40 - 50 grams of it, which adds about 400 kCal to your daily intake.
In terms of your appetite for pizza, you are actually describing the difference between satiety and satiation among other things. I would attempt to break it down for you, but J. Stanton over at gnolls already posted a multi part article on this, and rather than try to summarize / plagiarize him, you should just head over there and check it out. Here's an interesting snippet:
Note that satiation can be manipulated by the mere manner in which you eat, so, if you break your food down into smaller pieces and spend more time chewing the food, satiation occurs at a lower caloric intake. Satiety is driven by metabolic processes that kick off during the absorptive phase of digestion and these are pretty much determined by the nutrient content of the chyme that enters your small intestine from the stomach. You can't game satiety.Originally Posted by J. Stanton
On a personal note, the one thing that kept me from achieving my transformation was my neurotic fear of losing muscle mass. You can see where "preserving my muscle mass" got me:
When I finally let go of that, I dropped 45 lbs. of what I assumed to be mostly fat. I don't know that I didn't lose some muscle mass, but I do know that of the muscle that I retained, it sure as hell is a lot more visible now that it isn't muffled by all that fat.
Lastly, keep in mind that as you lose weight / mass, your support systems will down regulate. Your organs will lose mass, as will some of your muscles. The mass of a calf muscle needed to move about 315 lbs. is significantly larger than one for 240 lbs. This will provide an endogenous source of protein that does not require you to forcibly down godawful protein shakes.
I would say that if you are not hungry, don't eat, and don't worry about the muscle mass. That is a premature optimization. Drop the excess fat, then re-evaluate.
I was reading this guy's success story, Jay Wright, the other day and what jumped out at me was his IF protocol which is exactly as you suggest, one meal daily with weekly 48 hour fasts. For him at least, calories mattered as he restricted those as well... He had impressive results.
Later!Intermittent fasting with one meal a day worked best for my schedule; I coconut oil fasted earlier in the day and 1 day per week. After the first month, I coconut oil fasted for an entire week since I figured I should clean out my system. Then I dropped the calories to only 1200 to get some faster results early on to help my back. I thought I would readjust the calories up or the eating schedule according to my hunger, but I did not experience any hunger and had great energy so I left the plan alone. What little hunger I did experience was very mild and just meant it was time to drink another bottle of water or swig a tablespoon of coconut oil before the evening dinner.
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