Last edited by pklopp; 09-02-2011 at 04:22 AM.
I don't want to pull focus from the real discussion topic on this thread, just wanted to apologise if I offended anyone by using the term 'shallow' as this has been picked up a couple of times now. My intention was only to make light of my goals (I am slim and have no health issues so my reasons are purely aesthetic), not to judge.
PK, you're spot on with your comment about changing from within, I do have food demons so hitting IF too hard was a big mistake - for me at any rate. I'm settled back into my Paleo routine and find that a condensed eating window suits me extremely well. Longer IF may be a little way off yet. Thanks again for the good advice.
I have been primal for three weeks now, been trying to get the hang of the whole IF idea. Ive been doing pretty well so far, will eat dinner and then not eat again until the next afternoon, but this has come at a price. I was under the impression the you shouldn't be incredibly hungry during this time period, but ive been doing all I can to ignore the hunger pains. Im talking about intense painful stomach growling. Does this mean I need to eat more? Or will it start to fade as I become more adapted to the IF schedule.
Also I know you mentioned a little is ok, I do not drink cofee (strictly water), but what about a small piece of dark chocolate. Before adapting to the primal lifestyle I would stuff my face with chocolate constantly, I find my days much less stressful when I allow myself a piece of dark chocolate. Would this be considered "breaking the fast"?
PS Thanks for the great posts!
If this threshold notion holds true, then we are probably safe in adding some HWC to our coffees. Just don't go overboard. One oz. of cream is about 100 calories, so, three cups of coffee in a day with this amount of cream will give us a 300 cal. shot of energy. At some point, we can no longer call this fasting.
Lastly, but extremely important nonetheless, note that what we are doing is ingesting fats, with zero protein or carbohydrates which makes this an extremely ketogenic source of calories. From a metabolic standpoint, ketosis mimics "starvation", which suggests that we won't affect the metabolic changes brought about by IF. Of course, we are displacing the consumption of adipose tissue with exogenous fats, but not in a significant way.
When you put it all together, a nominal source of highly ketogenic calories should not affect our fast.
Your body does get conditioned to meal times, and if you'd like I can pull up some papers on this for you. Accordingly, it will take time to undo this conditioning, so I would suggest that you try eating at 10:00, sometime in the afternoon, and then your evening meal. Once the interval between the morning and afternoon meals approaches 1 hour, then you can eliminate one or the other, and I would suggest eliminating the afternoon meal.
I also suspect that you might be skipping meals rather than coalescing meals. Until you get proficient at IF, you need to redistribute your calories among the meals that you do eat. So, if your daily caloric intake before fasting was 2300 kcal. spread out across 12 meals, then you should still be eating that even though you are eating 2 meals a day, and eventually, one daily 2300 kcal. meal. Once you become accustomed to your one daily meal, at least 2-3 weeks of eating that way, then you can start playing with your calorie count.
I have a friend who upon hearing about my dietary practices decided she was going to fast over a weekend ... going from a standard 3 daily meals straight into a 48 hr. fast! Never mind the fact that I laid out the progression for her as I have here. From her recounting of the experience, she definitely experienced a hypoglycemic episode, and she was a little traumatized by the whole thing. As a result, she's given up on fasting as not being suitable for her. To each his or her own, but I'd rather she would have heeded the advice of someone who's been there before making her ultimate decision.
As far as your small piece of dark chocolate goes, it should be fine, depending upon what your definitions of "small" and "dark" are. I'm a bit extreme, and for me "dark" = 100% cacao. Small would be on the order of about 10g or thereabouts.
Hope this helps.
I think your absolutely right! I've never been one for easing into things. Being a college student makes that difficult, I can eat in the morning before heading off to campus, eat in the afternoon on the days I have a big enough lunch break, and eat whenever I get home in the evening. The only bsolute true constant is that I almost always have time to eat in the evenings, which is why this IF schedule you talk about sounds amazing.
You also hit the nail on the head by saying I'm not getting anough calories, this is something I still need to work on. I find that when its actually time for me to eat my hunger has subsided quite a bit and I can't even get a whole meal down without feeling incredibly full. For example, yesterday was a pretty busy day so I didn't get a chance to eat until around 7:30PM, which was almost 24 hours after my previous meal. However, once i started eating I was full after one chicken thigh and some snap peas. Once again, my hunger has returned this morning. Its like a cycle, I'll be pretty hungry in the morning but can handle it with some water and my daily meds, a few hours into class it starts getting worse and will last for a couple hours, then sometime in the afternoon I might get the sensation again but by that point I know can make it until dinner, then when dinner time rolls around I'm never hungry enough to eat a ton. One good thing I've noticed is that even though I still get hungry, it's not nearly as bad as earlier in the week.
I'm so confused...
I love your HONEST summary of "The Madness"! We can probably add to "The Magic of Fasting" the surge of endorphins - chemicals thousands of times stronger than heroin. "Traumas" of any kind (including fasting) trigger an automatic burst of soothing endorphins. You may know of people who felt no pain for hours after a terrible physical injury. Endorphins can do more than kill pain. They provide the sensation of pleasure too. Euphoria, joy, the "runners' high" (when runners have run past their pain threshold). So effectively, we can call it the "fasters' high" too!
Okay, now off to read your third blog on fasting.
"Fasting will bring spiritual rebirth to those of you who cleanse and purify your bodies. The light of the world will illuminate within you when you fast and purify yourself"
This is a fantastic Thread PK! I'll be jumping on to Part 3 now