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    HCG – The Weight Loss Cure…Exposed!

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    Most people at this forum are obviously interested in health and while not everyone is trying to “lose weight” by going Primal, it is pretty obvious that many are. That being said, I’m sure there is a lot of crossover from other weight lose niches and I wanted to share my experience and insights into one of them.

    A few years ago I came across Kevin Trudeau’s book “The Weight Loss Cure They Don’t Want You To Know About” which I read cover to cover. I was convinced that everything in this book was true but the protocol was dependent on taking HCG injections and I was, at that time, too lazy to seek them out. After 18 months, however, I packed on more weight than ever and my health had deteriorated to the point where my heart would race every time I went upstairs to my bedroom. I decided to get things going and make it happen.

    The HCG Diet, which is designed to help you lose one pound of body fat per day, can be simplified as follows:

    1) Loading Phase – initial two days of the protocol where you “gorged” yourself on the fattiest foods you can find. Injections of HCG are taken to get the whole process kicked off.

    2) Reduction Phase – this is the focal point of the HCG Diet. It is a combination of taking an HCG injection once per day along with a Very Low Calorie Diet (VLCD) which adds up to about 500 calories p/day. This kinda shocks people but the protocol is a short-term gig lasting between 20 and 45 days total, not a lifelong commitment. Health risks on a VLCD in short periods like this are pretty much nill unless you have major underlying health issues.
    The food pretty much lines up Primal. Lunch consists of 100 grams of lean protein (chicken breast, lean grass-fed beef, veal, lean fish, etc) and a handful of low-glycemic veggies from an allowed list. Dinner is a repeat of lunch. You also eat one organic apple and half a grapefruit each day either with meals or separate. There is no breakfast except coffee or green tea. Green tea can be drank throughout the day. You try to keep water intake rather high. The whole “take your body weight in lbs, divide by two and that’s how many ounces you want to target drinking”.

    3) Maintenance Phase – this final phase lasts for 3 weeks and allows you to “eat whatever you want in whatever amounts you please” with one KEY exception. No sugar or carbs. Sounds rather primal, huh?

    (Note: In Trudeau’s book there’s an additional “pre-phase” that is not in the original protocol. It just consists of going to through are series of bodily cleanses and is not considered essential for success in losing weight while on the diet)

    So how did it work for me? Very good, I’d have to say. I’ll write about some details of the experience as well as some observations in a second post, but I did, in fact, lose weight and keep it off. I don’t believe today (see below) that the HCG had much to do it. I planned to do a full 40 day cycle but stopped after 30 days. In that 30 days I dropped from 252.3 lbs on Feb 10th to 224.2 lbs. So I did average about 1 lb of loss per day but I DID cheat (bad) fully four times during the series so I probably would have lost about 5 lbs more if I had been more disciplined. Even though I got the results sought after, read the post below to read why I think the whole HCG Diet is bunk.

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    If you read Dr. Simeon’s book, Pounds and Inches, he goes into great detail on how you need to follow the diet exactly. He goes on to say that after seeing hundreds and hundreds of patients they have, through countless rounds of trial and error, discovered the foods that help the overall weight loss process and the ones that don’t. He states explicitly that “If it is no on the diet…it is forbidden!”

    While people like Kevin Trudeau will say again and again that if you attempt to do the diet by itself without the HCG, you will be hungry for the entire process, feel tired, lost weight from the wrong areas of the body, and then gain it all back quickly. HCG is essential to the process…so they say.

    These problems may be true to one degree or another I think that correlation does not imply causation I this case. Here’s why…

    In my own experience, I came across MarkDailyApple.com by chance. I was still in the middle of Phase 2 of the HCG Diet (the reduction phase) and was a bit panicked when considering what I would do come Phase 3. After all, being able to eat whatever you want in whatever amounts you want as long as there is no sugar or carbs isn’t exactly the bastion of freedom in our world. I could hardly think of anything I COULD eat under those guidelines. Pretty much thought, “Great…so I can pretty much eat eggs and cheese now and that’s it. Oh goodie.” So I was hunting for recipes to figure out how I could make it work. Phase 3 lasts a full 3 weeks to reset your set point to your new, lower weight. Three weeks is not a short period of time.

    I ended up ordering Mark’s books (all three of them) because it seemed to me that I could pretty much just roll into Phase 3 of the HCG diet by following the recipes in the cookbooks and I might as well read the guy’s main book if I’m placing an Amazon order anyway.

    Reading The Primal Blueprint was a MAJOR eye-opener. After reading the book I connected the dots. The reason that the HCG Diet works is NOT because of the actual hormone injections…but because the diet is a PRIMAL diet! Everything on the list is primal. The long trial and error process worked through over years by Dr. Simeon didn’t lead to him finding foods that “helped” the HCG do it’s thing…he stumbled across a Primal Diet that, when combined with calorie restriction, places the body in a state of Ketosis.

    The headaches and tired, lethargic feeling that is almost universally experienced by those attempting the HCG Diet are the exact same type of things that people on this site experience when cutting out carbs in order to eat in a Primal fashion. It’s the body punishing you for not giving it what it wants (sugar) and reluctantly switching over to it’s alternative energy processing method…burning fat. None of this has anything to do with the HCG itself.
    In order to further prove this, I’m going to take on second run at this without the HCG injections. I’ll run it for 20 days eating only the foods allowed on the HCG Diet in the same amounts. My theory is that, because my body has already switched over to burning fat as its primary fuel system, I’ll dodge the negative symptoms common for the first week and will get even better results than with the HCG.

    (I’m going to put up an additional “placeholder” cell below so that I can add the update in sequence for those looking for info on the HCG diet)

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    (This post will be edited with updated info after my second run at the HCG Diet without the HCG)

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    What is HCG?

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    Grok on! Healthy11's been living under a rock. Trust me, healthy11, go back to your rock. IMO, HCG is bad news.
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    The difference between the primal diet and the hcg phase 2 diet, however, is the complete lack of dietary fats in the hcg protocol. The theory is that the hcg hormones cause you to release stored bodyfat, and any extra dietary fat you ingest will interfere with that process. I don't know if it works or not, but the complete lack of dietary fats is anything BUT primal.

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    You know, its funny, but I was thinking the exact same thing. Especially since when you read (and I HIGHLY HIGHLY recommend) "Good Calories, Bad Calories" and learn that a number of clinical studies have shown that a pure starvation diet leaves the test subjects (human test subjects) with very little hunger pang issues after the first few days (because they are in ketosis it would be safe to assume)... So it isn't the HCG that's allowing you to do the 500 cal diet without much hunger issue, its the ketosis...the HCG is just a crutch or fancy placebo to convince you to try the starvation GROK diet.

    That said, I personally have never done an HCG diet, though I've looked in to extensively, and prior to reading Good Calories, Bad Calories and a number of other books (Mark's included) I was going to go that route as soon as I could save up the money for the EXPENSIVE diet plan... I do have a friend that lost a ton of weight on it, though she did not build very much, or any, muscle mass...I wonder if she had eaten exactly the amount of protein her body needed to maintain muscle mass if she would look better with the weight gone.... As it is she still has a lot of extra fat on her arms and abdomen, even though she is much much thinner...

    I am VERY interested in your experiment. I'd appreciate it if you would comment on your hunger sensation with and without HCG as well as part of this test!

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    Wow. I think if I managed to eat only 500 cal / day I could manage to lose a pound a day without any HCG :-) And I don't know what HCG is either.

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    HCG is the pregnancy hormone. They derive the homeopathic stuff from the urine of pregnant women. It's not as horrific as it sounds- homeopathic doses are extremely small- so small as to be virtually undetectable. Premarin- pregnant mare's urine- is taken by WAY more women, and that isn't a homeopathic dose!

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    HCG = Human Chorionic Gonadotropin.

    Yes, it's probably the lo-cal, lo-carb diet that is really having an effect, not the HCG. But you can make a ton o'cash selling HCG injections....

    Especially at "homeopathic" doses. "Homeopathic" = "water."
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