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    Here is a good study done on the muscle sparing effectiveness of VLC diets.


    Nutrition & Metabolism | Full text | Very-low-carbohydrate diets and preservation of muscle mass Nutrition & Metabolism


    I know the study is kind of old (2006) but it provided me with something I hadnt recalled from my recent research. Adrenergic stimulation. Interesting...that may be why I feel so energetic all the time on VLC...

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    Quote Originally Posted by nachobrawler View Post
    Here is a good study done on the muscle sparing effectiveness of VLC diets.


    Nutrition & Metabolism | Full text | Very-low-carbohydrate diets and preservation of muscle mass Nutrition & Metabolism


    I know the study is kind of old (2006) but it provided me with something I hadnt recalled from my recent research. Adrenergic stimulation. Interesting...that may be why I feel so energetic all the time on VLC...

    Enjoy...
    Yeah that is why a lot of people feel very energetic on VLC at first... some people, however, 'burn out' over time by stressing the adrenals like that.

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    Honestly, I feel anything but stressed.
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    I stay vvlc probably 95% now, and when I do get a few too many carbs, say over 75g, I feel unpleasant effects. There's a spectrum in this; some people don't do well vlc, others of us do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Digby View Post
    I stay vvlc probably 95% now, and when I do get a few too many carbs, say over 75g, I feel unpleasant effects. There's a spectrum in this; some people don't do well vlc, others of us do.
    +100,000,000 Digby! I totally agree. I think everyone is different and no one way of eating works for all people.

    I believe my body was designed to run on VLC and am like you. The more carbs I eat...the worse I feel. But that doesnt mean what works for me is right for everyone else.
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    Thanks for the study. I’m undergoing a bit of VLC myself, well I’m generally LC but I’m trying to purposely skip potatoes for at least two weeks to a month (if I can make it. I miss sweet potatoes already) to see if it budges some body fat and to see if my workouts suffer from it as I’ve been believed for a long while. However, this is in an attempt to see if this “technique” will get me the lower body fat levels that I’ve been after for a while.

    I read Robb Wolf and he said that unless you’re ALREADY lean, carb re-feeds may not be ideal for those LOOKING to lean out. It’s possible that VLC with is muscle-sparing and fat burning properties is ideal for a fast-track to weight loss, but maybe once you’re already lean is when you have less fat to mobilize and oxidize for energy and that’s when you experience a burn out effect. Meaning, if you’re skinny, it’s perhaps best to include your starches.

    As it stands, my workouts are mostly strength driven with some endurance and conditioining work but I don’t classify them as intense enough to justify a LOT of carbohydrate post workout so what I’m doing is just eating protein at every meal, with some low carb veggies, plenty of eggs and limiting dairy. In a month I hope to be able to post something in my journal whether this is doable for me long term or not.

    Thanks for the post!

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    Quote Originally Posted by nachobrawler View Post
    Honestly, I feel anything but stressed.
    there's a difference between feeling stressed and stressing the adrenal glands by stimulating them to produce lots of adrenaline as a response to low blood sugar... and like I said, it happens to *some* people *over time*.
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    Quote Originally Posted by imasin View Post
    there's a difference between feeling stressed and stressing the adrenal glands by stimulating them to produce lots of adrenaline as a response to low blood sugar... and like I said, it happens to *some* people *over time*.
    OK...your point is made. Thanks for the info.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iniQuity View Post
    Thanks for the study. I’m undergoing a bit of VLC myself, well I’m generally LC but I’m trying to purposely skip potatoes for at least two weeks to a month (if I can make it. I miss sweet potatoes already) to see if it budges some body fat and to see if my workouts suffer from it as I’ve been believed for a long while. However, this is in an attempt to see if this “technique” will get me the lower body fat levels that I’ve been after for a while.

    I read Robb Wolf and he said that unless you’re ALREADY lean, carb re-feeds may not be ideal for those LOOKING to lean out. It’s possible that VLC with is muscle-sparing and fat burning properties is ideal for a fast-track to weight loss, but maybe once you’re already lean is when you have less fat to mobilize and oxidize for energy and that’s when you experience a burn out effect. Meaning, if you’re skinny, it’s perhaps best to include your starches.

    As it stands, my workouts are mostly strength driven with some endurance and conditioining work but I don’t classify them as intense enough to justify a LOT of carbohydrate post workout so what I’m doing is just eating protein at every meal, with some low carb veggies, plenty of eggs and limiting dairy. In a month I hope to be able to post something in my journal whether this is doable for me long term or not.

    Thanks for the post!
    Good luck, man. Sounds like you have a plan and are sticking to it. Thats more than half the battle, right? Letme know how it goes and if it works for you or not.

    As for me, lean has never been a problem. I think I may have once been about 18% bF...but thats it. So, the VLC approach is melting the flab off of me and best of all....my arms and chest actually got BIGGER when I last measured a week ago! How's that for muscle sparing!!!!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by iniQuity View Post
    I read Robb Wolf and he said that unless you’re ALREADY lean, carb re-feeds may not be ideal for those LOOKING to lean out. It’s possible that VLC with is muscle-sparing and fat burning properties is ideal for a fast-track to weight loss, but maybe once you’re already lean is when you have less fat to mobilize and oxidize for energy and that’s when you experience a burn out effect. Meaning, if you’re skinny, it’s perhaps best to include your starches.
    Yeah Mark also recommends carb re-feeds mostly for lean people looking to lean out more, but more because of better leptin sensitivity I think. Interesting point about less fat to oxidize!


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