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    these numbers are causing me some concern. I have been eating high fat for about 9 months;


    apr 2008 now


    cholesterol 4.61 8.26

    tg .26 .48

    hdl 2.85 3.58

    ldl 1.64 4.46

    chol/hdl 1.6 2.31


    my thyroid numbers have come back better, lower tsh, still on the lowish side for t3 and t4 but better and my cbc and ferritin have improved. but with these numbers I am sure my doctor is going to call me and write a script for lipitor!


    I know the total number doesnt mean anything and the ldl is a breakdown of big and fluffy vs small and hard yada yada, but I kinda liked the normal numbers of back in April 2008.


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    Does anyone know a way to convert these values to mg/dL?


    62shelby, are any of those values out of range, or are they high-normal?


    The most important value to calculate is your triglyceride to HDL. With the American units of milligrams per deciliter, ideally you want your triglycerides to be no more than double your HDL. But with the units you are showing here, I can't quite tell what's going on.


    Are all those values mmol/liter? If so, then you have a tremendous amount of HDL and very little triglyceride! But I'm thinking that the units they used for each are different.


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    To convert mmol/l of HDL or LDL cholesterol to mg/dl, multiply by 39. To convert mg/dl of HDL or LDL cholesterol to mmol/l, divide by 39. To convert mmol/l of triglycerides to mg/dl, multiply by 89. To convert mg/dl of triglycerides to mmol/l, divide by 89. (from http://www.faqs.org/faqs/diabetes/fa...section-9.html)


    So the numbers would be (rounded to nearest whole numbers except for ratio, rounded to nearest tenth):


    Total: 108 to 356

    Trig: 23 to 43

    HDL: 19 to 140

    LDL: 66 to 174

    Total/HDL: 5.8 to 2.6


    Your prior numbers were not "normal." 108 is dangerously low for a cholesterol level. And your ratio was far worse than it is now. The ideal ratio of Total/HDL is 4.4 for women and 5 for men - yours is better than either of those (from https://www.health.harvard.edu/fhg/u...ate0205c.shtml). Despite the fact that the "total" is much higher, the HDL number is fabulous and the ratio is wonderful. And I'd bet those LDLs are large, fluffy and innocuous (not to mention probably miscalculated as LDL is rarely if ever directly measured because it's a pain in the ass for the labs). I'd say you're doing well, and you should tell your doctor ABSOLUTELY NOT for any statin drugs.

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    Unless you paid for a VAP or NMR test the LDL is calculated and with triglycerides that low, it is likely in error. Dr Eades has a good post on this:


    http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/weight-loss/low-carbohydrate-diets-increase-ldl-debunking-the-myth/


    I'd be happy as a lark with the above "after" lipid profile! The "before" was a bit scary!


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    Griff your so smart!!

    statin drugs are so horrible for the liver!

    xoox Darlene


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    PG: I just have good Google-fu. I had to learn how to convert mg/dL to mmol/L for my British friends, who were hearing about my blood sugars in the 120s and freaking out. So I knew there was a way to do it. But it's different for blood sugar than it is for cholesterol levels, as you can see (even among the different types of cholesterols and blood lipids, the measurement is different).

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    62shelby: Also, according to http://www.yourmedicaldetective.com/public/523.cfm and several other sites, the ratio of your triglycerides to your HDL will indicate whether your LDL is small and dense (bad) or large and fluffy (neutral). A larger number indicates smaller LDL particles and a smaller number indicates larger LDL particles - it's an inverse relationship. The ideal number is 2 or below. 4 is high. 6 is "danger!!!"


    Your Trig/HDL ratio went from 1.2 to .31 - started out great and got even better. You have large, fluffy LDL, which means it's not going to hurt you.


    I don't think you have anything to worry about.

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    Two more things:


    A low ratio of Trig/HDL is great because it is a semi-reliable indicator of lower free insulin levels. Lower free insulin is good. However, this doesn't appear to work for those of African descent, so take that with a grain of salt.


    Also, according to Dr. Mary Vernon, "These labs in which the LDL is calculated are not accurate if your triglycerides are below 100... The equation used to calculate these numbers makes assumptions which are not accurate when triglycerides are low." (from http://livinlavidalocarb.blogspot.co...t-results.html) So I doubt your LDL is as high as that test says it is.

    Primal eating in a nutshell: If you are hungry, eat Primal food until you are satisfied (not stuffed). Then stop. Wait until you're hungry again. Repeat.

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    These numbers are Canuckian....Griff thats amazing, youre amazing, and thanks for explaining it all xoxo! The scary low cholesterol then from last year makes more sense about my hormone imbalances stemming from back then and beyond, which is why it got scary and confusing just now...I thought by eating more saturated fat it would help my hormones rebuild so then I couldnt figure out either that if my lipids were out of whack how come my cbc and ferritin were looking better, which I know are probably unrelated but still.....looking good over here but looking bad over there, didnt make sense.


    Btw, would rather walk over hot coals and chew broken glass simultaneously than take statins, but I know my gp is so freaking CW that she is going to make an issue of it. Luckily I am escaping to Ann Arbor soon and my husband to be's sensible doctor.


    thanks for the reality check, I was having a bit of a freak out this morning.


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    62shelby: Glad I could set your mind at ease. Hope that your new doctor is as intelligent and well-read as mine is. Best of luck.

    Primal eating in a nutshell: If you are hungry, eat Primal food until you are satisfied (not stuffed). Then stop. Wait until you're hungry again. Repeat.

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