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    More fat = more calories, right?

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    But it's been said that even if you have too many primal calories, you'll still gain weight. But if you're hungry, eat more fat- and therefore, more calories.

    So... how many calories is too much? I had 2700 yesterday (was super hungry at dinner), and FINALLY felt full, though later in the evening I could have munched more- I didn't, cause I'd had way too many carbs by that point (140).

    This is for fat loss, btw.

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    I know that I get hungry if I have too many carbs. The fewer carbs I eat, the less hunger pains I get. If you're struggling with hunger, then consider dropping the carbs and/or raising your fat.

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    If you want to lose fat quickly, then drop your carbs way down--under 50 g per day. This will also help curb your hunger and naturally cut down your calories. Otherwise, Mark's recommendation for gradual fat loss 50-100g/day of carbs makes sense to me. No one can tell you how many calories are too much for you--but if you are eating more than your body is metabolizing you will gain fat--and you will tend to eat more if your carb level is high.

    Read this great article by Gary Taubes.
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    How old are you? How tall are you? How active is your daily life? How often do you work out and what do you do? What is your carb/fat/protein ratio like out of that 2700 calories?

    There is too much basic information missing from your post to determine whether or not 2700 calories matters to you.

    I am 25, crossfit and jiu jitsu daily, and live an active lifestyle. I eat 2700 calories and I am working on putting on muscle. If you are a 40 year old lady-who-happens-to-stay-at-home-and-possibly-a-wife-but-not-a-housewife who runs once a week, your mileage may vary.
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    More fat on low carb = Increased satiety = Less hungry = Less food eaten = Lower calories

    The trick is to eat enough fat so you don't feel hungry then stop eating. It will only work if you keep carbs low enough that they don't stimulate hunger

    Think of it as simply eating enough fat to be satisfied. You can't do this with protein or carbs because they will both stimulate insulin and you will quickly be hungry again
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    Could be 40 year old housewife who never runs but does intervals and bodyweight exercises. The 40 year old housewife term kind of irked me for some reason. Not that I thought Rivvin you meant anything by it - probably I'm an overly sensitive 44 year old!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sue View Post
    Could be 40 year old housewife who never runs but does intervals and bodyweight exercises. The 40 year old housewife term kind of irked me for some reason. Not that I thought Rivvin you meant anything by it - probably I'm an overly sensitive 44 year old!
    Me too. I think it's because the assumption is that a housewife doesn't move. Lol! I'm a 28 year old housewife with two kids, and the whole "move slowly for a long time" thing is pretty much my life. I'm always moving around the house and yard, taking walks, hefting kids, chasing the cat, digging in the dirt, scrubbing something, bending over and picking up repeatedly, standing and moving to cook something, etc etc etc.

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    5'2", never, check out yesterdays food here: http://www.fitday.com/fitness/Public...&Month=0&Day=5

    I think I can see where I went wrong. It was halfway through the day before I thought to check the carbs in the EmergenC (fighting a cold). And I've got some coconut oil fudge hanging on from the holidays that I keep trying tp push onto my husband- here! Eat this so I don't! Lol.

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    Yeah that's a lot of carbs for someone not actively working out... but I think you see that now

    Also I edited my post to be nicer about the housewife thing, didn't realize it had such negative connotations.

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    Just to be more helpful....

    Carrots + Honey + Sweet Potato = What I eat on days I do double sessions of crossfit or jiu jitsu. That is definitely causing you to feel hungry even when your not, and is probably gonna hinder your weight loss. Also, at 5'2 and 28 years old... that's a LOT of calories. Like a whole lot.

    At the assumption of you weighing 150 pounds (sorry, I have nothing else to go on unless I fail at reading) then just to maintain weight you'd only need about 1800 calories.

    What is in your salad dressing?
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    i think he was focusing on the metabolic issues for women 40 plus who also have the stress of running a household (children, householding) and the time that involves, and therefore cannot attend 1 hr of crossfit and 1 or more ours of martial arts per day, kwim?

    i know that i can't. i'm 34, i run a business and our home, primary care give for the kiddo, and honestly do not have enough time for that much exercise, which is why i love PB so much. it really fits into a busy-lady's lifestyle.

    long walks: can do that with the kiddo in some way shape or form, usually babywearing; big 5 can be done in my home, while kiddo is napping, in about 30 minutes. when walking home from work, i do my sprint up hill. it's not 20 minutes, but it's hard and it gets my heart going. i suppose that, once this feels "easy" i might add more time in. right now, it's 2-3 minutes of sprinting M-F so 10-15 minutes per week. LOL then just lifestyle stuff.

    but, i agree about the "eat more fat equals more satiety equals less food equals fewer calories."

    it works like this:

    1 gram of carbs equals 4 calories
    1 gram of protein equals 4 calories
    1 gram of fat equals 9 calories

    essentially, 1 gram of fat equals 2+ grams of carbs calorically speaking.

    So, say you eat 3 apples and each apple has 2 grams of carbs then you are getting 3 x 2 x 4 = 24 calories.
    Now, say you eat 1 piece of bacon and that bacon is 1 gram fat and 2 protein. This would be 1(9) + 2(4) = 17 calories

    Most people won't sit and eat three apples in a sitting, and even if they did, carbs break down fast, spike the blood sugar and burns off quickly. the fat and protein are tougher to break down, and so they have a slower burn rate as well -- you stay satisfied longer.

    a good "snack" then would be a piece of bacon as opposed to 3 apples. these, of course, are not real numbers, just estimates. i didn't go and use spark people or whatever, but you could and really figure it out.

    but that's the idea anyway.

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    It is. My goal is 50-80 carbs a day, and I can't believe how much I went over. It was my first day of low carb. I figured as long as I didn't have any grain, it would be easy. I can't figure out where the all came from! Ok, I know, the EmergenC and the fudge... :P But still! I figured it'd be a bit easier to keep them low and still be full. And honestly, I can't eat meat like that every day- I try to only eat grassfed meat, and we can't afford it. We just happened to have extra on hand. Typical for me is breakfast of eggs, cheese and greens, maybe a piece of fruit, lunch is still being worked on, and dinner is usually a chicken or a roast with a green veggie and a starchy veggie.

    Rivvin, lol- I'm not really offended, and your edit is hilarious. My issue is just 7 years of pent up frustration about the assumptions that come with my line of work. :P

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