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    Re: Whole 9/ Whole 30

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    So I have browsed the website, blog and listened to the owners host/be interviewed on Robb Wolf's podcast (#26).

    Color me unimpressed O_O

    What am I missing that has people flocking to the site and Whole 30 system and paying $30 for an ebook regurgitating Paleo best practices? The answers and advice they were giving on the podcast was inarticulate, simplistic, often common sense (to me a hobbyist) and not very well justified or explained. The personalities of the man and woman themselves... I just don't see the appeal. After hearing them talk (they couldn't even list the nine things that 'Whole 9' stood for without writing it down beforehand) I was very skeptical of their expertise.

    Two personal trainers telling you to sleep up and avoid dairy -- how is this a marketable product?

    I was reminded of RW's running joke "If I could only make money by telling people to avoid dairy, grains and get plenty of sleep" well it looks like Whole 9 built a business model around doing just this. What do people like about Whole 9? How is whole 30 different than any other Paleo challenge (Primal Challenge)?
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    I can answer for myself anyway. I did *not* shell out any money for an ebook - all my information came from their web site. And you're right, it's nothing earth shattering. I just wanted to take a month to be super strict to get myself back on track and test some food intolerances. Honestly, I'm using the term Whole30 only because it's easier to say that than to say I'm going for a month with no grains, dairy, legumes, alcohol, sweeteners, processed foods or potatoes. And most of the people around here know what I'm talking about when I say Whole30.

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    My thoughts…

    - Paying for whatever info whole30 has is like paying for porn. All the information is available for free and presented better, such as MDA. To date, I’ve never found work as well written and presented as Mark’s, that’s hands down.

    - I did Whole30, and I liked it because of the discipline it requires. Some people could greatly benefit from being that serious with themselves and following through with something 100%. I gained insight into myself, I discovered I don’t really have any sensitivity to grains or dairy (I didn’t cut out night-shades) but didn’t go back to devouring them as if they were going out of style (they are, primal baby!) since I had been able to shut them out completely. I was never a drinker, so alcohol was easy, but I was a weed-head and cutting that out was tough, now I enjoy the green in moderation because I know it doesn’t have some type of power over me. Honestly, the whole30 IS a little too much for folks that truly understand primal and are living the lifestyle just fine, but it can be beneficial to those that tend to slip too much and just need a solid dose of no bullshit.

    - DO NOT DO THE WHOLE30 TO LOSE WEIGHT. DO NOT DO THE WHOLE30 TO LOSE WEIGHT. DO NOT DO THE WHOLE30 TO LOSE WEIGHT. DO NOT DO THE WHOLE30 TO LOSE WEIGHT. Hit the sprints, watch your food, done.

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    It's a pretty good marketing technique, I think. Give people a ton of information for free, then try to sell them something. Many will buy out of a sense of gratitude for the free info, to support the authors, and on the off chance that there is some deeper secret to be had. Many people are silly with their money. I might just make a website devoted to the instruction of trolling, then offer an e-book for $30 that's filled with my bad poetry or something.

    Also, I think Whole9 refers to "the whole nine yards," that is, "give it your all."
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    Quote Originally Posted by jennf View Post
    I can answer for myself anyway. I did *not* shell out any money for an ebook - all my information came from their web site. And you're right, it's nothing earth shattering. I just wanted to take a month to be super strict to get myself back on track and test some food intolerances. Honestly, I'm using the term Whole30 only because it's easier to say that than to say I'm going for a month with no grains, dairy, legumes, alcohol, sweeteners, processed foods or potatoes. And most of the people around here know what I'm talking about when I say Whole30.
    This is me exactly. I use the term "Whole 30" as a concise way to talk about my personal goals for the month rather than listing a string of items that I am eliminating. I have no intentions of paying for the e-book. They are not providing any new information whatsoever.
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    I did not buy the book.

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    Don't hate. For people already living a paleo lifestyle, this is an opportunity to recommit. The info is not new and the founders of the website are not geniuses - then again, who said they were?

    Also, I got the success guide from a friend and I can tell you that it is 100% not worth it. You can find ALL the info on the site. And really, it's not that hard to follow anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jennf View Post
    I can answer for myself anyway. I did *not* shell out any money for an ebook - all my information came from their web site. And you're right, it's nothing earth shattering. I just wanted to take a month to be super strict to get myself back on track and test some food intolerances. Honestly, I'm using the term Whole30 only because it's easier to say that than to say I'm going for a month with no grains, dairy, legumes, alcohol, sweeteners, processed foods or potatoes. And most of the people around here know what I'm talking about when I say Whole30.
    +1 Well said! I'm attempting the Whole30 now, mainly because I slipped way too much over the holidays. The way I see it, is The Whole30 is hard-core Primal (no-exceptions or cheats), only this program only lasts for 30 days. Mark’s Primal Blueprint is supposed to last for the rest of your life with the 80/20 rule. So, the way I integrate the two is the Whole30 is a jumpstart, kick-in-pants, Get Er’ Done…. For 30 days. Then once I’m finished, I can slowly add in the 80/20 if I choose to.

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    Ouch!

    I actually personally know Dallas and Melissa (the two who founded Whole9) and I can tell you that they're not just out there to make money... Dallas was my physical therapist for a good six weeks back in Maine when I injured my rotator cuff, and had it not been for him questioning me, "tell me Jess, WHY do we need GRAINS?" And handing me off Cordain's paleo book, I might have never gotten to where I am today (stronger, healthier, happier.) Dallas invited me to join him at the Crossfit gym, introduced me to deadlifts, and allured me with the "sexy metcon". If I had an extra 30 bucks to throw around, I'd definitely share it with them just to show my appreciation! They're great individuals... And shouldn't be criticized for trying to make an extra buck. Hey, paleo food is EXPENSIVE! ;-)

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    I'm going to do it for exactly the reasons above... to jumpstart myself, to test some food tolerances and to get disciplined for 30 days.

    I'm not buying the e-book, but unless I'm completely wrong I thought they even say straight out on the website that you don't really need it, all the information is on the site. It's very possible some people requested some sort of "guide" to put it all in one place and they took the opportunity to make some extra $. But they aren't pushing it at all, really.
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