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    The more I learn, the more I am confused

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    I'm about one week into a partial Primal experiment with enjoyment and success. There are several parts of it that I already followed--veggies, certain meats, eggs... I've started the Fit portion and I love it and I have been gradually trying to rid my daily life of the processed crap available at every turn. PB makes so much sense to me (I've read the book twice and have been on MDA frequently), yet the more I read and learn about it, I must admit that the more confused I get (maybe CW and tradition has me in a firm headlock!). The latest is this: [URL="http://www.annals.org/content/153/5/289.abstract"]

    It is frustrating to me that scientists (who supposedly are so dang smart and definitely smarter than me!) seem to come to such different conclusions... why can it not be so much simpler?!

    Another confusing point (Grains). I am LDS (Mormon) and have been a consumer of whole grains my entire life (I LOVE them and don't think I have a problem with gluten--I get a clean bill of health from my doc and am just slightly overweight looking to get leaner and more healthy), especially wheat and oats. I may Grok you on the head with a rock if you try and take my oats away! Anyway, it seems there is research and individual results to validate or invalidate philosophies.

    I'm specifically curious if there are any other LDS "all grain is good for the food of man--wheat for man" people out there who have perspective on this subject. I am very open-minded and looking for responsible comments, not judgments. I already have informed people telling me that I'm in a cult (LDS) and now I will be joining a second cult (PB). Give me a break...

    Any thoughts from other LDS (or non-LDS) PBers?

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    Excess weight is far from the only health problem grains will give you, particularly as you age. Google 'phytates'.

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    Just take it slow. I know I have seen posts on here from people of Asian background, and the idea of giving up rice was...well, unthinkable. I realize race and religion aren't quite interchangeable, but I think you see what I am getting at. If you're someone who can handle transitioning gradually, I think that's your answer. You also might want to try giving up grains for a specific amount of time, and see how you feel. Everyone is different. I never would have thought that giving up grains would be the key to solving so many problems for me. Once I gave them up, I felt so much better, I didn't want to go back!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Primal Fist View Post
    Excess weight is far from the only health problem grains will give you, particularly as you age. Google 'phytates'.
    Agree.

    Sgalley2, start by eliminating wheat and doing as much of primal as you can. Keep oats if you have to. Google for a Nurturing Traditions recipe. (Soaking the oats overnight in something that neutralizes the phytic acid.)

    Some diets are very rigid. Mark is realistic and he keeps refining PB. So it isn't as cut and dried. Do what you can.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Primal Diva View Post
    I realize race and religion aren't quite interchangeable, but I think you see what I am getting at.
    Not race - culture. I know Hispanics who are loath to give up their rice and beans, and Italians who can't fathom giving up pasta. Religions create food cultures, too... and this is one of the most damaging things about religion generally. Of course, as Gary Taubes says in his current book, nutrition science is more religion than science, because it's clinging to beliefs that are not only not supported by evidence but actually contradicted by evidence, so it's not surprising that we should see this pattern replicated elsewhere.
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    I made a link on my blog to another long post about why gluten might kill you. Resign yourself to giving up the grains and work towards it as fast as you can.
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    Hi fellow Utonian!
    I'm with Primal Diva. give yourself a specific timeframe to go without your oats and see how you feel or if you really miss them. Most of the time I think people cling to a certian type of food because of what it is supposed to represent (i.e. oats= cold days+winter ) I love soups and stew in the winter for just that reason...
    If after that timeframe you feel that you still have to have them then, go for it. In the end you have to do what works for you. (if you do decide that you still need them i would def. recomend soaking them first).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Primal Diva View Post
    Just take it slow. I know I have seen posts on here from people of Asian background, and the idea of giving up rice was...well, unthinkable. I realize race and religion aren't quite interchangeable, but I think you see what I am getting at. If you're someone who can handle transitioning gradually, I think that's your answer. You also might want to try giving up grains for a specific amount of time, and see how you feel. Everyone is different. I never would have thought that giving up grains would be the key to solving so many problems for me. Once I gave them up, I felt so much better, I didn't want to go back!
    I agree. I thought I could never give up my morning oatmeal. I kept eating it (albeit with less and less oats and more and more eggs added to it) for the first two months on primal. Then Mark asked during the challenge month "How are you spending your 20%" and I answered "On oatmeal". As soon as I hit submit, I realized how crazy it was that I was using ALL of my 20% on one thing. So I quit it that day, and haven't eaten any since. Turns out, bacon, eggs, onions, and tomatoes are far more enlivening for breakfast. Can't fathom returning to bland oatmeal!
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    Quote Originally Posted by sgalley2 View Post

    I'm specifically curious if there are any other LDS "all grain is good for the food of man--wheat for man" people out there who have perspective on this subject. I am very open-minded and looking for responsible comments, not judgments. I already have informed people telling me that I'm in a cult (LDS) and now I will be joining a second cult (PB). Give me a break...

    Any thoughts from other LDS (or non-LDS) PBers?
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    Hey sgalley2, I am an ex-LDS member. I am sure it will be tough giving up the breads and grains for you, but you can do it. However, I guess you will always have to consume the bread each Sunday during sacrament. But that's just one small crumb, which could hardly amount to anything. Otherwise, like most are saying, take it step by step. If you eat any boxed up processed foods, start there. Once you get rid of those, then giving up whole grains and oats won't seem so hard. I will say that I have never felt better since giving up all the grains. I am almost 40 now, and I wish I had done it much sooner. I feel great now though.

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