The Bedrock Journal - ( Pebbles67) page 541

[demuralist]

ah, I misread his website then.

[Ddraig Goch]

I'm not findiing that to be true. He recommends 50-75 grams of Protein for most people. Phinney and Volek on the other hand want me to start my protein intake at 83 grams.

He does recommend more meat and fish protein than pork, beef and dairy.

I have to agree with you. He has me at 55g P&V have me at 65g

I love this quote out of his book though:
"Most [patients] have stayed with me for years, and the reason they stay is that my diet works" - surely if the diet was working they wouldn't need to.

[demuralist]

I am shooting for between 60 and 70 right now, pretty much between 150 and 175 would be my goal weight as well. Although I haven't weighed 150 except once in high school and I am pretty sure it was helped along with some sort of medications or something like that. I weighed 170 for my wedding and looked fantastic. 160 and I could wear a 2 piece without being embarrassed, although it would probably embarrass my younguns!

[Pebbles67]

For Protein, I took the lowest recommended weight for my height and the highest recommended weight. Turned them to KG and subtracted 10%.

The last several days, I have been getting around 60g.

[RMS123]

That's a really good way to get a range. Thanks for the idea!

[valmason01]

Loving your progress! I come here and read in the hopes of getting my own mojo back..and you are a perfect mojo inspiration!

[tomi]

^ what she said!

[Pebbles67]

Rosedale Diet Report

The good:
1)Protein levels-I think his are the most logical I have seen 50-75g for most people. Take ideal weight, convert to KG, subtract 10%. Prefers protein with little saturated fat for the first 3 weeks. (Chicken and fish) Likes Low Fat Dairy? in moderation. None for the 1st 3 weeks. Protein should be spread out as 15-20g of protein per meal or snack.
2) Carb levels-He starts everyone VLC. The allows those with less metabolic derangement to add some things back. OK with grains at low levels for some people. Berries and some starch veg. can be added later.
3) Fat levels-He uses only olive oil, avocado oil, almond oil 1st 3 weeks for salads and cooking. Coconut Oil and Butter can be added later. I would say he tops out at 65-75%. Loves avocados and olives. Does not think we need to measure fats, just protein.
4) No added sweeteners real or otherwise. Stevia, xylitol if you must after week 3.
5) Food list can be downloaded from website, but I don't like the layout.
6) Claims to get back Leptin Sensitivity without the giant breakfast pushed by other Leptin experts
7) Loved his explanations of the Whys of lower protein, avoiding bad oils, leptin, avoiding artificial sweeteners etc. Great Book if you can wade past his ego.

Bad or Just Weird:
1) OK with wheat, canola oil and tofu?
2) Low Fat dairy?
3) Huge supplement list
4) Against Coffee
5) Says nothing about sodium
6) Obnoxious about how great his diet is and how it is totally different from everyone else's plan. Feels Paleo peeps eat too much protein, which may actually be true.

***I am going to continue to eat 60-70 grams of protein. Carbs, 20 grams, will be minimal in salad and one other veg per day, but shouldn't go up because I am dropping dairy.
Yup, I said I am dropping Dairy. I am also dropping Artificial Sweeteners.
Fat will range between 65-75%. This will naturally lower my calories to about 1400.
I will be eating from his A food list for 4 weeks (April 13th) except I refuse to drop coffee. I recently cut down to 3 cups. I will stay at that level.
Water will range between 64 and 100oz. I will continue using 1-2 bouillon cubes based on exercise.

[Pebbles67]

Last Week

Last week I upped my fat to 85% and kept my protein between 60-70g. I upped my cals to 2000

Wt. 226.3 +1.2 for the week
Measurements Up a little
Body Fat% Up a little
FBS ran from 88-96 (up from low to mid 80s of the week before.)

***Conclusions***
Higher fat does not seem to help me lose weight or get me into deeper ketosis.
Adding more dairy to get to the higher fat level raises my FBS
I also experienced aches, pains, bloating and swelling in my bad leg. Swelling in my right leg means inflammation. Inflammation can be deadly for me.

My best results on NK so far have been at the original Optimal Diet macros from the first page of our EMF thread. 75% 20% 5%, Eating at just above BMR. at that time, I chose a goal (HSIS) weight of 170 which is at the top of the range for my height. This gave me macros of 70-78 protein, 39 carb, 156 fat. However, I have since learned that for the purposes of macro calculations, one should choose a weight at the low end of the range for your height. For me, 150lbs, 68kg Protein 60-68g, 34 carb, 136fat (2x protein)

I have just finished reading "The Rosedale Diet" and will be following his plan for the next 4 wks. Dr. Rosedale uses essentially the same macros starting with your ideal weight in kilos. The difference will be that I am dropping dairy, Bad oils and artificial sweeteners and eating 65-75%fat. Basically Rosedale has convinced me to clean up my act.

PS I made my own mayo this morning. It worked fine with everything at room temperature. Not to self: Make sure you use a wide mouth mason Jar. (I couldn't fit the stick blender in, so i had to mix it elsewhere.)

[RMS123]

Interesting. Thanks for the Rosedale report. I often think we have to take bits and pieces from a lot of folks.

As always, will be watching your latest experiment

Happy Friday!