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    For me to get below 60g of protein is actually hard work, and generally does not leave much room for a reasonable amount of protein at dinner. I think that the levels Dr. Seyfreid suggests are something I will definitely do should I be diagnosed with cancer. In the mean time, with cancer prevention in mind, I plan to keep my net carbs below 15 (as this allows me to eat the veggies that I love) and my protein in the 15% to 18% range, filling the rest with fat.

    Currently my dairy consists of HWC and kerrygold butter daily, and maybe some gouda once a week. I refuse to believe it is a problem for me. I may get there if after very careful monitoring in the next few months I still don't lose weight. But I don't wanna.

    p.s. I would think you are being very successful right now, no binging and losing weight, why are you going to the "no dairy" route? (I understand the increase in protein route though)
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    This week, I was thinking of just cutting cheese intake. I am eating about 3 oz/day, plus butter and HWC.

    However, you may be right. For the sake of being scientific, I should up the protein to the 20% level first for a week and then drop the dairy for the third week in March.

    Dairy can sometimes keep you from getting into deeper ketosis. However, since I don't have a monitor. How would I know?

    PS, I don't feel especially successful this week. Not sure why. I think the gain in body fat is pissing me off.

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    I get that, but you lost, and overall you have a good fat loss to LBM loss right? I saw someone who is taking note of these sorts of things on EMF say something about a ratio of body fat to LBM you can expect. was it Ddraing Goch?

    And yes, only change one thing at a time, or you will never know what made a difference. So up the protein, then if that isn't enough drop the cheese. I don't think I could be happy if I thought I could never eat cheese. I could cut way back and be ok though. I actually think I am ok with an ounce or 2 of gouda, but cream cheese seems to be an issue-more of a trigger than stall though.

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    you are successful.. you are learning so much from your body and that is success. I have wondered if the dairy is keeping me out of ketosis.. I am still not there.. I am like Chris though, I don;t wanna!!
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    Hi Pebbles,

    I would drop the artificial sweeteners before dropping the dairy. Having stopped taking sugar I originally looked for an alternative to make the odd non-grain dessert but all I could find were negative comments – even for stevia. Chemicals are far more likely to have am impact than real food like dairy even if you are slightly intolerant to it. It would be interesting to see what effect dropping AS would have on your binge switch.

    Re the loss of LBM, If your LBM loss is >25% of your total loss you need to increase your protein, maybe by 5g at a time. Having said that, I suspect your erratic figures (overall loss but BF gain) is probably more to do with your salt experiment than straight loss of LBM (especially if you are measuring your BF with a BIA monitor). It doesn't make sense that you would lose LBM & gain BF (I believe the body would metabolise at least some fat before protein unless your BF% is in single figures). MFP shows your av protein for the week is 63g which is not that far off your HSIS goal of 77g. (Even given you are taller than average & your work outs over the last few days were strenuous I still don’t think you are that low in protein given the fact it need to be moderate to get into NK)

    Lastly, for a valid n=1, I think you need to keep the variables the same for a few weeks, 1 week an experiment does not make (believe me I’ve been there) so personally I would stick with what you've been doing for a couple of weeks without changing anything. You have said you felt good this week, your posts have certainly sounded more positive & happy AND you managed to avoid binging last night. Why change things so soon?

    PS: I have read in a couple of places this week, including Jimmy Moore’s blog My 5 Low-Carb Mistakes And How Nutritional Ketosis Rescued Me From Them, that the required macro for deep NK is P12-C3-F85 and your av for the week was 15-6-78 so if anything your protein is still too high & fat too low for deep NK. Even if this means you eat more cals, the health benefits of NK & steady lower weekly loss may out weigh lower cals & a quicker on/off loss

    NB: Getting the macro right (whatever that may be for you) seems to be the most important thing re deep NK as a) with the right macro it takes 4-6 weeks to achieve NK, b) just a few g of carb/protein too much or g of fat too low can knock you out of it

    Please note all of the above is only my considered opinion – I’m no expert but I hope some of it gives food for thought

    PPS: I read your link re protein, confusing or what? Now you know why I think n=1 is the only way to go.
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    I've just had a thought (doesn't happen often I know). didn't you say somewhere recently that you were hungry every meal time? NK is supposed to curb hunger so that alone would suggest you are not in NK yet. I'm not sure upping the protein would help. But only you know your body

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    I'm definitely in ketosis. How far in, I don't know. No monitor, but all the signs are there.
    Plus the ketostix. I am not starving, but I have never experienced the "I couldn't eat if tried syndrome."

    Jimmy moore's macros are a little extreme and I think only necessary for him.
    It could have been the sodium. Does the bf% count the water too?

    Thanks for the ideas.

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    no but I think it affects the electric current hence they are not necessarily accurate

    I agree Jimmy Moore's macros seem extreme - we all need to find what's right for us but I still think you should giver it another week before you try something new . I'm losing LBM again this week & its freaking me out but I'm determined to give it the full 4 weeks before changing anything (as long the loss is not > 25% total loss)

    Yeah I wish I had a monitor too (Ketostix have never worked for me, I probably drink too much water) - but whilst I'm losing weight & apparent BF I'm leaning more towards saving for a DEX scan. There are a couple of places that do it privately here. Hate to think what the cost will be though.

    Can't wait for Demuralist to start recording her n=1
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    ok I won't change anything drastically this week.

    Unfortunately, I have a party tonight and plan to eat stuff like veg, & dip, cheese & meat etc. So macros will be off anyway.

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    I just remembered I have to get a DEX scan on Monday for my Osteopenia, I am going to ask the technician if it will show BF% at the same time or if it is a different scan or report.

    I promise I will start the monitor this weekend. I am getting excited now too. Although I am not sure I really want to know what the BF% is. I do also have the ability to do BF% on my scale at home so I will do it before Monday so I can compare the 2.

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