I know I've not been active much of late; not had regular net access, and been trying to sort things out in my personal life (and failing miserably as per usual! )
Anyway, I recently joined another forum, run by a friend of Martin Berkhan's (aka Mr Lean Gains). Thinking I was on safer ground than I was evangelising over at Spark People, I posted about PB. This was the forum owner's response I have highlighted the bit which had me wanting to slap the b*tch (not that it won't be obvious).
I will say this -
All opinions are welcome here. That being said, I think there are a lot of problems with what you posted.
1. The Video - I think you are missing the point about the video. For one, I made the video. I am by no means anorexic nor do I have a eating disorder of any kind. In fact, I help people on a regular basis with eating disorders.
The video is to help show how easily calories can add up and how off our perception can be. That is all, nothing more. If you read more into it, it is merely you reading more into it.
The video in question showed her (and she's SKINNY - I mean unhealthily so - you think I'm a skinny bint - her eyes are sunken into her skull and she looks ILL!!)
She jumped on me because I am against counting calories (after reading something Mark wrote a couple of years ago, I no longer count). If I ever get the urge to do so, I re-read it (I've got it printed out and Blu-Tacked to my wardrobe door)
2. Mark's Daily Apple/Gary Taubes - The ironic thing is a lot of there work and publications lead to eating disorders and orthorexia problems because of the manner in which they bastardize food. They are reporting incorrectly on research in many occasions.
Now, I don't know much about libel - but I would say she's on VERY shaky ground with this; making a statement like that, without any evidence to back it up, is - in my eyes at least - libellous and, if Gary and/or Mark were to read it (Mark of course will do now because this is his forum) they would be well within their rights to sue the arse off her!
I asked her to provide evidence to back it up - and - surprise, surprise! - I received a PM from her telling me to cease and desist or I'd be banned! What does that say to you...? What it says to me is that she knows she's wrong, but doesn't want to lose face, so I must be silenced!
I myself am a supporting of all macronutrients and believe fat loss and health can be achieved through various nutrient profiles.
This site, and myself in general, is about removing dogma and false scientific information where it can and making the truth/results (as it is currently) with as little bias as possible. The two people and bodies of work you mentioned, are high of the list of offenders that do that very often in the world of training and nutrition.
Again, this could be called defamation of character. I just find it highly ironic (unlike her, I do know the meaning of the word) I came to find her via Lean Gains and, as we know, Martin is very pro-Primal/Mark/Gary.
So, you are welcome here. You may post here. You may share your opinions and you will be spoken to with respect. However, this may not be the right place for you and I won't let you confuse or mislead people with your posts. If I stand back and allow everything to be linked to and approved of without mentioning my feelings against it - this board becomes spark people or any other public forum. I won't have that.
Yes, I am welcome to have my opinions - provided they don't differ from hers. Isn't that one of the fundamental principles of a dictatorship...? Don't worry, I didn't stoop so low as to invoke Godwin's First Law...
So basically, if you put up material like that I will debate you, respectfully, but debate it I must.
Libelling and defaming people isn't debating. I'm actually angry on Mark and Gary's behalves; she even argued - in response to another post - against the irrefutable evidence that if cholesterol, red meat and saturated fat were bad for us - then they'd have been bad for Grok too and we'd not be here! I'll have to dig that one out, it's hilarious! Apparently, his body was totally different to ours, and that we've evolved so that all the aforementioned are bad! Can't really get much lamer than that, can you...?!
Lastly, if you got such great results with PB, what are you doing here? What purpose do it serve you because we don't agree. If you desire to no longer be a member, feel free to alert me via this post or PM.
Apart from the fact her grammar is appalling - why does she think I'm there? Maybe because I wanted to share something that works...? But, because she doesn't agree with it, then it's all lies and is going to kill people (yet she's quite happy promoting the 'nothing but fruit before noon' diet, for example!)
So she doesn't agree with PB, GCBC or IF* - fine, but to stoop so low as to LIBEL and DEFAME the proponents of these ways of life - that speaks volumes about the kind of person she is.
*Again this is ironic as she's actually linked to from LG (at least I'm sure she was - or her eBook was at least).
Right, that's it (guess I told a bit of a porky about being speechless! I can always find the the words somewhere!)
P.S. Editing this because I've just received an email from her informing me I've now been banned! Sorry, but I'm saying it (so shoot me!) - she's Frau(lein) Hitler! Apparently, I'm not welcome there after all! <grin!>
Last edited by Shrinking_Violet; 12-31-2010 at 07:15 PM.
La tristesse durera toujours...
You lousy kids! Get off my savannah!
Been out on the lash, mate...?! You can usually come up with pithier put-downs than that - you're slipping! C'mon - you can do better than that! Hit me with yer best shot! G'on - ya knows ya want to!
La tristesse durera toujours...
Orange, purple and light blue -- they remind me of Easter, spring, and happy times.
How do you do that on here? Oh, do you know how to set the font to comic sans, too? That'd be stupendous.
You lousy kids! Get off my savannah!
I don't know the site in question, but I have always been amused by 'discussion' forums which do not allow differing opinions. Apparently for many discussion means agreeing with all the moderators say. It is one thing I like about this site. People post differing opinions and debate actually happens. I've found the exercise threads (Vick vs. ... ) quite enlightening. As for the rest, I don't let my feeling (yes, the last one I have left) get hurt by people on the internets. I am sure Mark can handle an idiot saying things about him. If not, I am sure he has a good primal lawyer (bring out the fresh meat!)
Last edited by canio6; 01-01-2011 at 10:13 AM. Reason: because I need to learn to spell
So, you were banned for trolling another site?
Color me not shocked.