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    Annika we are still told otherwise because the Government and the "experts" would have to admit they were WRONG! Ain't gonna happen.


    The Food Pyramid was developed by the United States Department of Agriculture (USDA) an agency that oversees and supports agriculture in this country.


    A couple of other books you might want to read are "In Defense of Food" and "The Omnivore's Dilemma" by Michael Pollan. What was really eye opening to me was how much influence and control the government has over our food system and what crops the government favors.


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    Annika: It's because the government is supported by big agribusiness interests. If the government stopped subsidizing corn, soy, and wheat, our diets would be a hell of a lot healthier, but the economy would tank - and the economy is the all-holy of government and business.


    The small family farm is largely a myth these days. Now it's Monsanto and other such companies, and they are every bit as dishonest, money-grubbing, and underhanded as any other Wall Street blowhards. More so, in some ways - the government is totally behind them.


    Most people don't look at the science. They don't want to know. The idea that everything we think we know is wrong - that's too scary for them.

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    Thank you, Dave & Griff. It is scary to think how controlled our government is by big corporations. "Food, Inc" really laid out how Monsanto bigwigs are placed in powerful positions in the government. I recommend that movie to anyone who hasn't seen it.


    Dave, I'm one of Michael Pollan's biggest fans. I started eating beef (grass-fed) after reading "The Omnivore's Dilemma".


    "Fathead" just arrived in my mailbox (thanks, Netflix!); then, I'll have to read GCBC again and I think I'll feel better.

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    I've said for years that we live in a corporacracy.


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    Thanks for all the responses. Will keep looking into the science.


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    The HGs did not eat much lean meat. They actually searched for fatter meat. They would even leave fresh kills that did not have enough fat.


    Read about rabbit starvation.


    You will learn about this fact if you tried to eat lean meat (say rabbit meat) without adding enough fat. It is a dangerous thing.


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabbit_starvation


    http://www.medbio.info/Horn/Time%201...tefansson1.htm


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    Anand, game meat is inherently lean. In the fall in temperate climes it's getting on fatty, but generally lean. About 2-3% fats. Cordain has done a lot of research on this.


    However, Grok did eat the brains and the marrow, undoubtedly, which ups the fat contents.


    Part of Rabbit Starvation, don't forget, is the lack of many nutrients. Many have nothing to do with fat.


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    What scares me is the fats bit.</blockquote>


    It scares Americans. It doesn&#39;t scare the French.


    People who believe in this myth have been forced to call the French "anomalous" - because they&#39;ve continued eating duck liver pate, etc. - although instructed not to by Americans - but have a lower rate of heart disease than the U.S. does.


    The French can be a pain, but you have to admire their bloody-mindedness.


    The real test, I think, is what known historical populations were eating, cross-checked against their health. It&#39;s been done. Weston Price, an Iowa dentist and the American Dental Association&#39;s Research Chairman, did it back in the 30s. I&#39;d have a look at his book - it can be read free online. Basically, Price found that most "traditional" or "isolated" societies back in the 30s (back when such societies still were "traditional" and "isolated") were consuming far more animal fats than people in 1930s America. But they were healthier. Get past that one - I don&#39;t see how anyone can.


    http://journeytoforever.org/farm_library/price/pricetoc.html


    Heart disease was hypothesized to be due to saturated fat. It was just a hypothesis: "that&#39;s all, that&#39;s all, that&#39;s all" ...


    It seems the paediatricians at the University of California at San Francisco no longer believe in the hypothesis - and can tell you why. Why should you?


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    I think Griff has religion! LOL! Good summary, there.


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    The HGs did not eat much lean meat. They actually searched for fatter meat. They would even leave fresh kills that did not have enough fat.
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    I don&#39;t know who HGs are, but absolutely.


    Primitive people have been observed, after a kill, to eat organ meats, then the fat, and then abandon the rest of the carcass.


    It&#39;s there in numerous ethnographic sources - if anyone had bothered to read them before condemning fat. Samuel Hearne, an early English traveller working for the Hudson&#39;s Bay Company, tried remonstrating with Canadian Indians (probably Chippewa) who were selecting fat cuts, like the tongues, and discarding the rest, because he saw this as "wasteful". He got nowhere:


    http://www.amazon.com/Journey-Northern-Ocean-Samuel-Classics/dp/1894898605/


    It&#39;s also to be observed in the archaeological record at kill-sites, such as the Garney bison kill site. The skeletal remains showed that Indians had killed but not bothered to butcher what would have been leaner beasts at all. And they&#39;d removed the most fat-loaded cuts on the fatter carcasses and left the rest,


    In northern latitudes up to 80% of people&#39;s calorific intake was in the form of fat.


    Perhaps the most dangerous diet of all is one that is low in carbohydrates and low in fat. All primitive peoples avoided that. The body gets depleted of vitamin A, because it&#39;s needed for protein metabolism. You eat like that, sooner of later you get ill. This is actually what happened with early European travellers in North America - before they learnt from the Indians.


    Page 229 onwards:


    http://books.google.com/books?id=kFOw3koWpJ0C


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