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    How else is conventional wisdom failing us?

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    The economist John Kenneth Galbraith once defined conventional wisdom as "...that body of beliefs that is assiduously, solemnly, and mindlessly traded among the pretentiously wise."

    The Primal Blueprint (and lots of other supportive work) pretty well tears out the foundation of conventional diet and conventional exercise.

    The growing barefoot running surge is built on the crumbling foundations of the conventional running show paradigm. And now we are seeing many brands of running shoes rolling out new models of minimalist shoes, dozens of models that didn't exist a year ago.

    My question is: What are the other bodies of conventional wisdom that are failing us?

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    Doctors/hospitals/high intervention birth is safest for all women regardless of risk level. Many people have been hitting their heads against THAT brick wall for many years now. Midwives have been proven time and time again to have similar outcomes and less injury to moms.

    Take episiotomy....done from 1950 on at almost all doctor-attended births. It was supposed to prevent tearing as the baby emerges, but that's nonsensical, because once you cut something, it tears MORE easily. A study 5 years ago finally brought the rates down from 90% of births to more like 20%, but even then at a frustratingly slow pace. Before that, moms have suffered horrendously and needlessly for decades.

    Or cutting the umbilical cord right away, full of precious stem cells and iron. Babies have up to 40% less blood if it's cut right away rather than wait till it shuts off the flow by itself. It was an intervention never proven to be effective, but became the default.

    There are two examples of an industry strewn with them.
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    Other than diet, exercise, sun exposure, bacterial exposure, hygiene, health care, transportation, policies, politics, chemical dependence, and the over-medicating of anybody that goes into a doctor?

    Well, there's the general idea of what constitutes 'manliness.' Manliness today means eating, drinking, fucking, smoking and doing whatever you want, because DAMN THE CONSEQUENCES. There is definitely something to be said about throwing caution to the wind and doing something inherently dangerous for the experience. However, eating a hamburger with donuts instead of buns is not really thrilling, it's just going to give you the shits and make you feel horrible. For some reason thinking about consequences (i.e. weighing the pros and cons of drinking a 36 pack by yourself over the weekend) is a pussy move. Unfortunately, the manliest men today are fat, drunk, absurdly unhealthy, miserable, intolerant of most anything different from themselves and usually, complete assholes.

    The scariest thing about 'manliness' is that it is not a policy or health craze. Dr. Oz doesn't get on the air and espouse the benefits of banging the county bicycle while doing rails. It's got more in common with a grass-roots movement. Peer pressure and sociable norms cause 'manliness.' A dangerous form of conventional NON-wisdom. It is now cool to be ignorant and oblivious to consequences.

    Case in point; go to your local dive bar, find the fattest dude-bro there, swilling a boot of beer, and tell him what gluten does to a gastrointestinal tract. Don't be abusive or accusatory, just state the facts. How will he respond? He'll probably call you a fag. What a sweetheart.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shiggles View Post
    Other than diet, exercise, sun exposure, bacterial exposure, hygiene, health care, transportation, policies, politics, chemical dependence, and the over-medicating of anybody that goes into a doctor?
    Ha, that list is like the reverse of a scene from Monty Python's Life of Brian where one guy says "What have the Romans ever done for us?" and his supposedly supportive anti-Roman audience starts offering up a few suggestions until he ends up with quite a list: "All right... all right... but apart from better sanitation and medicine and education and irrigation and public health and roads and a freshwater system and baths and public order... what have the Romans done for us?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by lizch View Post
    Ha, that list is like the reverse of a scene from Monty Python's Life of Brian where one guy says "What have the Romans ever done for us?" and his supposedly supportive anti-Roman audience starts offering up a few suggestions until he ends up with quite a list: "All right... all right... but apart from better sanitation and medicine and education and irrigation and public health and roads and a freshwater system and baths and public order... what have the Romans done for us?"
    Oh MAN! I am watching that movie tonight. It's been too long since I've seen it. Maybe I'll tail it with History of the World Pt. 1

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    Other than diet, exercise, sun exposure, bacterial exposure, hygiene, health care, transportation, policies, politics, chemical dependence, and the over-medicating of anybody that goes into a doctor?
    I would like to add economics to the list.

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    Education. The best way to teach kids is to separate them into groups by age, talk at them and teach them to take a test so they can get a certain score. And this will make them successful.

    Oh... and socialization... kids need to go to school so they can learn how to be social. Umm.... so they can ONLY learn to be social with kids their own age, instead of being more involved in their communities and learning to value and be social with younger kids, babies, older kids, adults and grandparents. Ya... that's turning out really well.
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    I'll pipe in.

    Not taking responsibility for your own life and mistakes. How many people automatically look for someone to blame and sue when it is just a matter of 'shit happens'. Here in Australia we had an example where a bloke was body surfing and got dumped by a wave and had his spine damaged. He is now paraplegic. He sued the local town council for not having warning signs up that swimming was dangerous. Thankfully common sense prevailed and he lost.

    My second point stems from something my grandmother taught me when I was knee high to a grasshopper. If you've made a mistake. Apologize immediately you realize it and people will respect you much much more. We have a TV show on at the moment called 'The Block'. Couples renovate rooms each week in an apartment block and so forth. Anyway one of the couples screwed up in the second episode and needed to apologize to the others so the bloke called in his twin brother and had him apologize for him without the others realizing it wasn't the real person. The couple in question thought it was a great joke.

    To me that was a very very low act. However it seems to be becoming more and more commonplace with a mentality of every person for themselves and screw the consequences.

    I remember reading an article that postulated that humans in tribal groups learned to be socialist and care for eachother as it's the only way to guarantee group survival and that if you were selfish and ousted from the group your chances of passing your genes along dramatically reduce. Unfortunately in our society we separate ourselves from our fellows so much those consequences no longer matter and so selfishness is coming to the fore more and more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thanatos View Post
    I remember reading an article that postulated that humans in tribal groups learned to be socialist and care for eachother as it's the only way to guarantee group survival and that if you were selfish and ousted from the group your chances of passing your genes along dramatically reduce. Unfortunately in our society we separate ourselves from our fellows so much those consequences no longer matter and so selfishness is coming to the fore more and more.
    I absolutely see this. Especially in the US I think, take care of yourself and screw everyone else is the prevalent - and often admired - attitude. But the human race wouldn't have gotten far with that in the beginning.

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    That your weight is a measurement of your health

    That the FDA is there to protect us

    That pasteurized milk is safer than raw milk

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