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    Cholesterol measuring is pointless?

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    Yesterday my immunologist told me that any measure of cholesterol is meaningless and all the cholesterol studies are bullshit anyway. Today I read Kurt Harris' last post (a little behind the time I know) and he says pretty much that cholesterol could be a sign of ongoing problems and trying to 'correct' your cholesterol is pointless because it misses the real issue. Comments are off at his post so I thought start a thread here:

    Basically, what's your view on cholesterol?

    Secondly, does anyone know of any current research into cholesterol that backs up this view? Kurt didn't list any resources.

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    I like your immunologist! One thing about medical tests that is important to consider - does knowing the results of your test change what you would do? Otherwise the test is pointless. So would you eat differently or take a statin or exercise more if you knew your cholesterol was high? I wouldn't.

    A good publication is deLongeril's critique of the JUPITER trial from the Archives of Internal Medicine from earlier this year. I would link it but I'm on my iPhone.

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    "Yesterday my immunologist told me that any measure of cholesterol is meaningless'

    It isn't meaningless to insurance companies. Try getting a good rate if your Cholesterol is high.

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    I think a lot of doctors these days prefer that we have artificially low cholesterol levels, since this fits in with CW, even though this is probably not healthy. It only makes sense that insurance companies would follow along, but it's kind of sad that we've got to the point where the medical industry, the government and the drug industry are all pushing us away from good health.

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    If you have any number of conditions that drive it up as a side effect (hypothyroidism, for example), something several people do is watch their cholesterol in addition to their numbers for that condition. In most cases, with Hashimoto's thyroiditis, the cholesterol is a marker that indicates whether you're on the right or right amount of meds. It'll level off at a sane level once that's under control, if there are no genetic precursors to keep it high.
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    Yeah, Naiad, I just had this happen the past 8 months.. cholesterol went up (235) and then adjusted my meds and it came back down (181).

    I am probably not quite right with this, but isn't cholesterol in our body to help repair damage? So higher levels means there's something going on that our bodies are trying to fix? Therefore lowering cholesterol with drugs avoids the real issue of what's causing the making of more cholesterol and keeping the body from fixing what's wrong with it?

    Seems to me we should be seeing a higher cholesterol as a reason to check out other things and get our house in order.
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    I love it!! I am convinced that cholesterol is just a red flag. You need to get to the root of the problem, not get rid of the flag itself.

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    Inflamation is the problem... cholesterol just fixes it. Without inflamation and the resulting damage... cholesterol can run free without any problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bisous View Post
    I like your immunologist! One thing about medical tests that is important to consider - does knowing the results of your test change what you would do? Otherwise the test is pointless. So would you eat differently or take a statin or exercise more if you knew your cholesterol was high? I wouldn't.

    A good publication is deLongeril's critique of the JUPITER trial from the Archives of Internal Medicine from earlier this year. I would link it but I'm on my iPhone.
    I will try to find that. Thanks.

    Quote Originally Posted by naiadknight View Post
    If you have any number of conditions that drive it up as a side effect (hypothyroidism, for example), something several people do is watch their cholesterol in addition to their numbers for that condition. In most cases, with Hashimoto's thyroiditis, the cholesterol is a marker that indicates whether you're on the right or right amount of meds. It'll level off at a sane level once that's under control, if there are no genetic precursors to keep it high.
    Quote Originally Posted by Minxxa View Post
    Yeah, Naiad, I just had this happen the past 8 months.. cholesterol went up (235) and then adjusted my meds and it came back down (181).

    I am probably not quite right with this, but isn't cholesterol in our body to help repair damage? So higher levels means there's something going on that our bodies are trying to fix? Therefore lowering cholesterol with drugs avoids the real issue of what's causing the making of more cholesterol and keeping the body from fixing what's wrong with it?

    Seems to me we should be seeing a higher cholesterol as a reason to check out other things and get our house in order.
    Quote Originally Posted by lcme View Post
    I love it!! I am convinced that cholesterol is just a red flag. You need to get to the root of the problem, not get rid of the flag itself.
    Quote Originally Posted by arthurb999 View Post
    Inflamation is the problem... cholesterol just fixes it. Without inflamation and the resulting damage... cholesterol can run free without any problem.
    All of you are hitting the nail on the hurt. This is exactly what Kurt Harris was saying. However, he didn't point to any research and perhaps there really is none. But I posted this thread in the hope that among the wide readership of MDA someone would have stumbled across a paper disputing the cholesterol hypothesis.

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    Yes yes and yes, from everything I've read. If the "standard" test was LDL pattern and HDL, and those were the numbers, cholesterol results might be useful. I had an odd conversation with my GP, also a cardiologist, which "opened my mind" to doubt the CW and may have played a role in me deciding to give primal a shot. He said, basically, with my cholesterol readings I would be sure to get heart disease and die at an early age. But when I said, so cholesterol causes heart disease, he goes, no not really, it's just a predictor but not a cause, in fact most people with heart disease have normal cholesterol. But it would be malpractice for him to not recommend a statin, so he recommends it to anyone with high cholesterol. I can't wait to get re-tested after 8 months primal and 40 lb lighter.

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