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    some thoughts on grains

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    yes I know all about lectins. But I've been wondering of late why is bread suddenly so all consuming bad. Yes we've been eating it for thousands of years and yet we havent been having all these modern diseases for thousands of years. add sugar into the mix and we've definitely got a problem but it strikes me that sugar doesnt get quite a bad rap.

    Could it be something about the way grains are grown and then stored that are making them so bad in our guts. what sort of crap is sprayed on them as they grow, or to keep them preserved. Could it be grains added with sugar are the real cause of our unhappy digestive systems.

    I dont know the answers. But I do keep finding myself back at the point of well we have been eating bread for an awful long time and regardless of what i know about lectins, I still really enjoy the odd piece of bread (as long as it is absolutely smothered in butter)

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    what diseases are present in the world now that did not exist before?

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    well i dont know for sure but I'd say a lot of these autoimmune diseases would be a good start.

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    but perhaps it is more the prevalence of disease that is the issue

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    Suse,

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    The introduction of grains brought about the 'neolithic' diseases. There was lots of stuff that now has different names in the 1500s, even during the time of Jesus. So, yes we have been eating grains for thousands of years, but those diseases did exist, just went by different names.

    Apoplexy - Paralysis due to stroke
    Bloody flux - Bloody stools
    Bright's disease - Chronic inflammatory disease of kidneys
    Cachexy - Malnutrition

    Cacogastric - Upset stomach
    Costiveness - Constipation
    Crop sickness - Overextended stomach
    Dropsy - Edema (swelling), often caused by kidney or heart disease

    Dyscrasy - An abnormal body condition
    Dysentery - Inflammation of colon with frequent passage of mucous and blood
    Dysorexy - Reduced appetite
    Dyspepsia - Indigestion and heartburn. Heart attack symptoms
    Dysury - Difficulty in urination

    Edema - Nephrosis; swelling of tissues

    Edema of lungs - Congestive heart failure, a form of dropsy
    Enterocolitis - Inflammation of the intestines

    Enteritis - Inflations of the bowels

    read more here

    Here is a decent 'paleo primer' It explains the advent of modern disease pretty well without bogging it down too much.
    http://paleolithicdiet.wordpress.com...-introduction/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Suse View Post
    ...but it strikes me that sugar doesnt get quite a bad rap.
    That isn't at all true. In fact, it's just the opposite, sugar is the one thing every form of diet (i.e. low-carb, high-carb, low-fat, and everything in between) agree is bad in any processed form.

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    I kind of get what the OP is getting at. The prevalence of these diseases has skyrocketed although people have been eating grains for while now. I think the way they are processed and treated makes a big difference (like sourdough or fermenting practices) and the fact that wheat has been hybridised a few times probably hasn't helped. They also weren't a staple of the diet.

    In a person who is otherwise healthy (especially with digestion and immune system) I can't see properly treated grains creating havoc. Especially if it is wheat or gluten free and an occasional indulgence. All that said, grains aren't an optimal food.
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    Quote Originally Posted by muaythaimike View Post
    I kind of get what the OP is getting at. The prevalence of these diseases has skyrocketed although people have been eating grains for while now. I think the way they are processed and treated makes a big difference (like sourdough or fermenting practices) and the fact that wheat has been hybridised a few times probably hasn't helped. They also weren't a staple of the diet.

    In a person who is otherwise healthy (especially with digestion and immune system) I can't see properly treated grains creating havoc. Especially if it is wheat or gluten free and an occasional indulgence. All that said, grains aren't an optimal food.
    yes you've hit it on the nail mike. and I do agree that grains arent optimal so please dont anyone get me wrong on that. Is it the quantity of grains we are eating... I just find it hard to believe that for 10000 years we've been eating grains and no one has thought uh oh, this aint good.

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    It's easy to imagine there's more than one thing in play here - grains + processing + sugar + sedentary + bisphenol A + ... is worse than grains. I can even imagine (divert eyes to avoid heresy!) our distant paleo ancestors might have occasionally made a nice gruel, and maybe some of us are even a bit adapted to that sort of thing. But only maybe, a little bit, if it's gruel. But for most people living today, and trying to eat healthy things that make us feel better, and look better, and live longer, not eating grains seems a smart gambit, and it works. Same goes for sugar IMO, and if you don't think it's stressed as much around here, I think it's not because anyone disagrees, but because nobody disagrees - grainblaming is more surprising and thus sensational.

    There's also a lot more CW resistance that needs overcoming - if you tell your friends you're on a no-sugar diet, nobody's going to express concern that you're not getting enough healthy sugars; no-grain will be a whole other conversation.

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