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    I think I recall Horsewoman writing about doing a candida diet style whole30, which would cut out starches and fruit.

    So, what do you all think is the importance of non-starchy veg in the book? I can't recall if they had recommended intake amounts of those. I know they mentioned that they basically feed the bacteria in our guts and don't count as carbs but I can't recall any more... This thread is fascinating...
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    Quote Originally Posted by FairyRae View Post
    So, what do you all think is the importance of non-starchy veg in the book? I can't recall if they had recommended intake amounts of those. I know they mentioned that they basically feed the bacteria in our guts and don't count as carbs but I can't recall any more... This thread is fascinating...
    They don't have any specific recommendations if memory serves, just that you shouldn't count them as part of your carb intake like you said, which I thought was great. It always seemed counter-intuitive to me to worry about how much broccoli I'm eating!

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    Quote Originally Posted by iniQuity View Post
    why no starchy veg on whole 30? all they say is no white potatoes, I ate tons of sweet potato during mine.

    Unless it was avoidance of nightshades?
    I was doing my own take on whole30 and wanted to cut out fruit and starchy veg to see how it affected sugar cravings and blood sugar issues. It completely stopped my blood sugar issues, which was a revelation after many years of fairly severe issues.
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    Can carrots really be considered a starchy carb that i can eat when I don't have sweet potatoes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JPA View Post
    Can carrots really be considered a starchy carb that i can eat when I don't have sweet potatoes?
    Look at the nutrition data and figure it out. You can do this for any food under consideration.

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    Any food plan that denies you CARROTS is a dumb plan. The end.
    If you are new to the PB - please ignore ALL of this stuff, until you've read the book, or at least http://www.marksdailyapple.com/primal-blueprint-101/ and this (personal fave): http://www.archevore.com/get-started/

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    JPA, I posted earlier in the thread a letter from Paul Jaminet about starchy carb sources (what does/does not count), here: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum...tml#post399737

    This list of the starch content of various foods is very interesting (although I don't know the source so am not sure its accurate.) Scroll down to the bottom where the veggies are: THE STARCH CONTENT OF FOODS - THE LIST - Kickas.org
    THE STARCH CONTENT OF FOODS expressed as g/100g of food
    Vegetables, general

    Artichokes, Globe (boiled) 0
    Artichokes, Jerusalem (boiled) 0
    Asparagus (raw) 0.1
    (boiled in salted water) Tr
    Aubergine/Egg plant (raw) 0.2
    (fried in corn oil) 0.2
    Beetroot (raw) 0.6
    (boiled in salted water) 0.7
    (pickled, drained) Tr
    Broccoli (green, raw) 0.1
    (boiled in unsalted water) Tr
    Brussel sprouts (raw) 0.8
    (boiled in unsalted water) 0.3
    (frozen, boiled in unsalted water) 0.4
    Cabbage (raw, average) 0.1
    (boiled in unsalted water, average) 0.1
    (white, raw) 0.1
    Carrots (old, raw) 0.3
    (boiled in unsalted water) 0.2
    (young, raw) 0.2
    (young, boiled in unsalted water) 0.2
    (canned, re-heated, drained) 0.4
    Cauliflower (raw) 0.4
    (boiled in unsalted water) 0.2
    Celery (raw) Tr
    (boiled in salted water) Tr
    Chicory (raw) 0.2
    Courgette/Zucchini (raw) 0.1
    (boiled in unsalted water) 0.1
    (fried in corn oil) 0.1
    Cucumber (raw) 0.1
    Curly kale (raw) 0.1
    (boiled in salted water) 0.1
    Fennel (Florence, raw) 0.1
    (boiled in salted water) 0.1
    Garlic (raw) 14.7
    Gherkins (pickled, drained) 0.2
    Gourd (karela, raw) 0.8
    Leeks (raw) 0.3
    (boiled in unsalted water) 0.2
    Lettuce (average, raw) Tr
    (Iceberg, raw) Tr
    Marrow (raw) 0.1
    (boiled in unsalted water) 0.2
    Mixed vegetables (frozen, boiled in salted water) 3.0
    Mushrooms (common, raw) 0.2
    (fried in butter) 0.2
    (fried in corn oil) 0.2
    Mustard and cress (raw) Tr
    Okra (raw) 0.5
    (boiled in unsalted water) 0.5
    (stir-fried in corn oil) 0.8
    Onions (raw) Tr
    (fried in corn oil) 0.1
    (pickled, drained) Tr
    (pickled, cocktail/silverskin, drained) Tr
    Parsnip (raw) 6.2
    (boiled in unsalted water) 6.4
    Peppers (capsicum, chilli, green, raw) Tr
    (capsicum, green, raw) 0.1
    (green, boiled in salted water) 0.2
    (capsicum, red, raw) 0.1
    (red, boiled in salted water) 0.1
    Plantain (boiled in unsalted water) 23.0
    (ripe, fried in vegetable oil) 36.0
    Pumpkin (raw) 0.3
    (boiled in salted water) 0.1
    Quorn (pieces, as purchased) 1.1
    Radish (red, raw) Tr
    Shallots (raw) Tr
    Spinach (raw) 0.1
    (boiled in unsalted water) Tr
    (frozen, boiled in unsalted water) 0.2
    Spring greens (raw) 0.4
    (boiled in unsalted water) 0.2
    Spring onions (bulbs and tops, raw) 0.2
    Swede (raw) 0.1
    (boiled in unsalted water) 0.1
    Sweet potato (raw) 15.6
    (boiled in salted water) 8.9
    Sweetcorn (baby, canned, drained) 0.6
    (kernels, canned, re-heated, drained) 16.6
    (on-the-cob, whole, boiled in unsalted water) 16.9
    Tomatoes (raw) Tr
    (fried in corn oil) 0.1
    (grilled) Tr
    (canned, whole contents) 0.2
    Turnip (raw) 0.2
    (boiled in unsalted water) 0.1
    Watercress (raw) Tr
    Yam (raw) 27.5
    (boiled in unsalted water) 32.3
    Carrots at 0.3 g of starch as compared to potatoes (which have between 14-17 g) or the starchy veggies bolded on the list are very very low in starch, and I'm guessing would *not* count as a starchy carb source according to PHD. Looks like plantains could count as well, although they may have more carbs from *sugar* as well so not sure how optimal they would be as a starch source when compared to potatoes, sweet potatoes etc...

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    I'm pretty sure that they do look at starch:sugar ratios.

    I am so very sad that taters are so damn expensive in Denmark - about twice the price compared to the US

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    Quote Originally Posted by FairyRae View Post
    For those interested, here is an email correspondance I had w/ Paul Jaminet about what counts as 'safe starches'. I've found PHD super helpful, but have felt that the starch recs are not really for everyone. (I believe they allow for variance in the level of starch, but the overall message from my understanding is that a significant amount (150g or so a day) is good for most people. That has not rung true for me thusfar so I'm just going w/ what works for me.)

    Anyway, I wrote:

    Paul replied:
    Thanks for that. Makes me wonder if I'm not on the right track using parsnips, beetroot, butternut squash, swede and so on, as starches.

    But I really can't do potatoes or white rice, they mess with my blood sugar too much.

    I suppose even if he says it's not enough, that doesn't mean it won't work for me. I know I was too low carb when I was only having veg (I did eat all the above but not daily) but that doesn't mean the level of carb he suggests is necessarily optimum for me. If it causes blood sugar spikes and crashes then clearly it isn't a good idea for me to be eating rice or potatoes.
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    I think with any of these things you have to try them out for yourselves. I am happy enough to up my carbs some, but I do not want to start triggering the big hungrys I always used to get.
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