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    Link between the overuse of antibiotics and cancer?

    I have long wondered if the overuse of antibiotics was linked to the rise in cancers in our society. My theory being that using antibiotics too much can actually depress your immunity system and open the door for other diseases to hit you that a healthy immunity system might be able to fight off.

    CW is that if your lifestyle leads you to being sick all the time that taking chemicals (over the counter and prescription drugs) will fix you up.

    Here is an interesting article about the possible link:

    http://www.cancerdecisions.com/conte.../lang,english/
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    I'm certain antibx lead to cancer. There are probably multiple ways, but the one I see strongly, b/c of how it plays out in my own life is this: antibiotics -> gut dysbiosis -> sugar addiction -> every kind of cancer b/c of the horrible diet you're now eating, including & especially pancreatic cancer as you overtax your pancreas with your blood sugar roller coaster.

    Just some random thoughts with no science behind them, lol.

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    cancer is turning out to be overwhelmingly a vitamin d problem. I'll try to post more on this later but see
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    antibiotics do not cause cancer. people with crappy immune systems to begin with get sick more often and require more abx.

    a crappy immune system can't destroy the cell mutations that are occuring *all* the time. a highly functional immune system takes care of it without an issue.



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    I see cancer as a complicated issue - there has to be a trigger and there has to be bad soil. The trigger for lung cancer is often smoking, but genes & other factors determine who among the smokers will get it. A poor immune system, which has many causes, including gut dysbiosis (gut flora make up a huge portion of the immune health) & vitamin D deficiency, will be far more susceptible to the factors that lead to the cancerous overgrowth of cells in a particular part (or parts) of the body.

    That is my understanding of the very big picture of the many factors involved in cancer susceptibility. And in that picture, antibiotics are part of the cause of poor immunity and also contribute to the overtaxation of the pancreas. There are probably many factors that, if eliminated, would single-handedly stop the path to cancer. In the lung cancer example, eliminate the smoking, or the low D status, or the genetic predisposition, and your cancer risks are very low. Unfortunately, most modern folk have it all - poor diets, poor D status, frequent antibiotic use, environmental toxins - and their bodies simply can't fight off the dangerous effects of the triggers to which they are genetically susceptible. I think that D status is a crucial part of the picture.

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    Vitamin D is a component in the cancer issue. There is a thinking that since everyone started slathering on SPF 5000 sunscreen, it has inhibited the bodies ability to assimilate Vitamin D and since D is critical for fighting cancer, it may actually be causing cancers to increase. Your right MamaGrok, cancer is a complicated issue revolving around lifestyle choices, pollution, process foods, overuse of OTC and prescription drugs and other factors.

    I think our immunity systems can do do incredible things when untaxed by the various poisons we pour into our bodies. Or to be more accurate, what the CW sheeple pour into their bodies, I stay away from the stuff myself.
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    Using lung cancer to generalize about antibiotics and other cancers is probably not the best. Seeing as smokers are already more likely to get lung cancer, and are also more likely to have pulmonary and ENT infections need antibiotics.

    Lymphoma may not be the best model either, since it's a cancer involving the immune system itself. It's easy to imagine that a person might have increased infections due to an immune system in trouble prior to diagnosable lymphoma developing.

    Still, it's interesting to consider unorthodox causes for things. It would be truly amazing to make a huge dent in cancer prevention.

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    Quote Originally Posted by texas.grok View Post
    Here is an interesting article about the possible link:

    http://www.cancerdecisions.com/conte.../lang,english/
    Nourishing Traditions quotes a cancer specialist who says he's never seen a cancer patient with healthy gut flora. That doesn't prove a causal link; and if there is one, who knows which way it runs? But it is interesting. It certainly sounds like there's something behind the article you link:

    ... substantial evidence that frequency of antibiotic usage is associated with an increased risk of breast cancer. Several studies have confirmed a link between frequent antibiotic usage and an increased incidence of non-Hodgkin's lymphoma. Now Finnish scientists have published a study in the International Journal of Cancer showing a link between frequency of antibiotic use and the long term risk of several other kinds of cancer...

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    Quote Originally Posted by avocado View Post
    Using lung cancer to generalize about antibiotics and other cancers is probably not the best. Seeing as smokers are already more likely to get lung cancer, and are also more likely to have pulmonary and ENT infections need antibiotics.
    That's not at all what I meant. Apparently I'm having clarity problems while typing with a wiggly wee one on my lap and fending off a snuggly toddler.

    My point is only that I can easily see antibiotics contributing to all cancers (via a disrupted gut flora = compromised immune system) in the same way that D deficiency, processed food intake, & environmental toxins contribute to all cancers, ultimately by lowering immune strength. I also meant that antibiotics could contribute to a specific cancer (pancreatic) by leading to sugar addiction.

    And if that still doesn't make sense, I think I need to give up. Too hard to be clear when I am interrupted 40 times/sentence, lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MamaGrok View Post
    That's not at all what I meant. Apparently I'm having clarity problems while typing with a wiggly wee one on my lap and fending off a snuggly toddler.
    No worries. I was talking about the article in the link. I don't think you mentioned any of the specifics that I commented on.

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    Oh, I'm so sorry! Apparently it's not clarity, but comprehension, that I'm missing, lol!

    Seriously - I am having a hard time with mental clarity this week. Wonder what's going on.
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