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    Hello to all,

    I thought I would start this journal in an attempt to keep me on the straight and narrow.

    Where to start, where to start??

    Okay after some nasty illnesses I was amazed to find out that everything is in working order and that the Docs reckon I can have babies. This was never ever a concern for me in the past as my husband and I never were interested in having children, yet for some reason we got older and our minds changed (how dare they). As a result of some tough dicussions we are now trying for a child.

    I go at everything like it is clinical writing lists and plotting charts as if it was a work project, where as my husband is the quite achiever and relies on kismet.

    I have tried for the last six weeks to go paleo, however I made some real bad rookie mistakes and ended up falling off the paleo wagon. However I think I may have a bit more of a handle on this paloe thing and I am on day two of my paleo quest.

    As I am trying to lose some weight (yep strange concoction, weight loss and pregnancy!!). I don't eat that much, however this is what I have put in my mouth so far.

    8th July
    Breakfast - 1 kiwi fruit, 5g goji berries
    Lunch - 200g home made tomatoe soup (mainly tomatoes really = 44cals)
    Dinner - Subway salad (my idea of takeaway), about 100g cold roast beef
    Admittedly I also put down about 4 cups of coffee, 800ml diet cola, 1200ml water and 1500ml light cranberry juice (fighting a cold). I also managed to chew on some sugar free chewing gum.
    I know that diet cola and gum are not paleo in anyway, however they are my little 'isms' I will ween myslef off of. Also today I found out that drinking the amount of coffee I do is not good for conception so I am going to have to give that up as well - damn you coffee police!! If anyone can shed some light on the coffee thing I would be grateful as I can give up diet cola and gum, but coffee!!

    9th July - today
    Breakfast - 1 kiwi fruit, 5g goji berries
    Lunch - 200g home made tomatoe soup (mainly tomatoes really = 44cals)
    Dinner - chilli beef sausage and salad
    Once again I have done 4 cups of coffee, 800ml diet cola only 400ml water (so far I am to put some more down my throat but I don't want to spend all night getting up for a wee) and gum.

    I am an emotional eater and if I am stressed, bored, upset, blah, blah, boah and that is when I look to the naughty food, however I have decided that those patterns are going to end up putting me into an early grave. So I have decided no more emotional eatting.

    At the moment I am ill with the flu and to make matters worse I am sporting two (yes two) broken elbows. This means that exercise is hard to come by. My over protective husband will not let me even go out for a walk. Tomorrow I intend to go for a morning walk with the dog (the culprit behind the broken elbows) for an hour. Then once I get the all clear from the surgeon I am going to go back to Crossfit (hopefully by beginning of August). I reckon with all of this and primal way of living I will both lose weight and hopefully fall pregnant and make big healthy babies.

    I am not a patient person so anyone who has any tips please let me know. Also if anyone can suggest a primal exchange for diet cola and gum I would really be interested in hearing about that.

    Look forward to hearing from you.

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    I am new to the journal thing so I am making the assumption that I just continue adding to my first note.

    Today, today, today.....
    Okay 10th July
    Breakfast - small bowl of fruit salad, 1/2 rasher of bacon
    Lunch - I.F
    Dinner - 25g ham, 50g roast beef, kiwi fruit.
    2 cups of coffee, 1200ml diet cola, 400ml water

    Breakfast was a right pain. I went out with the husband for breakfast and everything was in a bun or something like that and I just couldn't be bothered explaining to Bev (the husband) why I would be picking everything out of the bun. So I opted for a fruit salad, call me tight but I loath paying AU$10 for a small bowl of melon, yep just melon. To me a fruit salad is a variety of fruit not just a few mouthfuls of different melon. Anyway moan aside I am still happy with my choice regardless, I also managed to pilfer 1/2 a rasher of bacon off of Bevs plate.
    Without realising it I was able to intermittent fast for lunch. I just got busy and didn't get a chance to have lunch, the great thing was that I wasn't hungry either so it all worked out well. Then come dinner I did have a lovely omelette and salad planned, however I didn't get home till late so I grabbed the most BP quick thing from out of the fridge.

    I am rather proud of myself as I have been BP for 3 days. However, why am I not pregnant? I am not a very patient person, so all this waiting just does me in.

    I have just thought, tomorrow is going to be a bit of a test for me. I am throwing a bit of a dinner party type thing, Bev has invited his work colleagues around for dinner and Bev has decided that he wants a ploughmans dinner put on (a cold buffet). There will be cold meats, cheese, cold boiled eggs, pork pie (a cold picnic pie), biscuits for cheese, warm rolls, cheese & onion scones, various salads and lots of little cakes for dessert. I have decided that I will only be eatting a little of the cold meats and some salad. However this is easier said than done as a ploughmans dinner is my favourite, I shall be strong and stay strong.

    Hope to speak to you tomorrow, however I may have visitors still so I won't get the chance.

    xxxx
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    Thought I'd post to let you know you're not the only one trying! My husband and I have been trying for four years with no luck. I've been Primal for 3 weeks, but I am hoping it will help things. Unfortunately my husband took a job last year that puts him in Iraq for 9 months of the year ... so baby making is limited right now.

    But good luck! Have you read the book "Taking Charge of Your Fertility"? It's a great read with lots of valuable information. I just picked up a copy and wish I'd bought it four years ago.
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    Evening all,

    Thank you for your good wishes Victoria, it is good to know that Iam not the only one out there. It is odd but i am sure that everywhere I look there are pregnant women!

    Well today I had big plans and as much as my plans didn't go to plan, they also didn't go bad either.

    I started the day off really well, then in the afternoon it got a little fuzzy around the edges.

    This morning I got up had some breakfast and managed to talk my husband into going for a walk with the dog with me. Unfortunatley I am still unable to take the dog for a walk on my own as I am walking a bit like robo cop with the broken elbows. This also means that I loose my balance really easily and I am not totally confident that I could restrain the dog if needed. The walk was awesome, the fresh air in my lungs, the warm sun on my face...I just love it all and miss it so much. Anyway before I get frustrated about how limited I am I will move on. As yesterday was so easy to I.F for my lunch I had planned to do that again, however I should know better than to plan it like that. I got the munches something chronic, however I stuck to BP foods and kept it paleo. Come the evening meal (remember we had guests round for the big ploughmans) and I did extremely well, I never touched any of the savory bisucuits, the breads, the scones or even any of the dairy. I was really proud that I kept myself on the straight and narrow. Every time I was slightly tempted I told myself it was for the pregnancy, that being BP significantly increased my chanced of getting pregnant. This worked, however the bit that I was not impressed with was that I ate far more than I had planned. I only wanted a little bit of meat, but it tasted so good. When dessert came out I opted for fruit, this was immensley hard as I was (and still am) really craving chocolate, however I have told myself that I will fall pregnant far quicker if I stay primal so I stuck to my guns.

    Breakfast - 1/2 kiwi, 1/2 pear, 4 strawberries, 1/2 persimmon (sharon fruit), 5g goji berries
    Lunch - 25g ham, 50g beef, 5 strawberries
    Dinner - 1 cup salad, 100g beef, 100g ham, pear, persimmon (sharon fruit)
    700ml water, 2000ml diet cola, 1 coffee

    I do not have any more diet cola in the house so I will not be drinking any more of it. I just fancy something with a flavour to it instead of plain water, someone once told me to put lemon in my water, but that didn't do anything for me.

    I also forget to say that I take a fish oil capsule, 3 calcium and a healthy bacteria tablet thing.

    Yesterday I managed to go for a lovely 1 1/2 hour walk on the beach, it was glorious, however studying the surf for box jelly fish wasn't totally fun, in the end I lost my bottle and walked just on the edge of the water. Then today I pushed out another rather relaxed hour walk. I do love the fresh air and the wonderful colours that nature has to show.

    I am such an impatient person, I really am. I want to be fit and well so that I can go back to doing my 2hrs of exercise a day (1hr walk am and 1 hhr crossfit pm), but until my elbows are good and I have the okay to do so fromt he doc then for now I am stuck doing nothing. Also if that isn't bad enough I am still not pregnant yet, well not that I know about! Not long though and I am confident that everything will come together. I am fully aware that crossfit and BP have an extremely high pregnancy success rate so I am going to stick with it not just for that reason but also because I will be healthy and that is priceless.

    Sorry I jumped subjects a bit then. Going back to dinner I did eat very sensibly just about 100g more than I had planned.

    Hey Victoria, good luck.

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    I just wanted to second the book recommendation for "Taking Charge of Your Fertility". As far as getting pregnant/ waiting patiently, when was your last period? Women with a normal/average cycle typically ovulate about 14 days after the start of their period, and you have a 2-4 day window around ovulation for conception to take place. Once that happens, it's usually about 14 days later that you can get a positive pregnancy test. These numbers are all approximate, every woman's body is different, but they're a good starting point if your not yet familiar with your fertility signs. Depending on when your last period was, that could give you a better idea where you are in your cycle and perhaps a little more patient than if you're just waiting to turn up pregnant one of these days. The book explains all of this really well. And congratulations on the start of your primal journey!

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    As I look over your diet, I see that

    1) make sure you're meeting your protein requirements daily - ie .7ish g protein per lb *lean* body mass)
    2) more non-starchy veggies would be helpful (every meal would be helpful)
    3) optimal vitamin D in both partners is appearing to play a significant role in fertility and a MAJOR role in normal/optimal neurodevelopment of the fetus.

    It would be helpful to have your 25(OH)D levels assessed - the options are listed in my D document in my sig line. just avoid Quest - LabCorp and ZRT are great options. Then be sure to take as much D as needed (regardless of amount) to get your D levels up to 50-80 ng/mL and to maintain that permanently.

    During the summer, I take no D on the days that I'm able to get midday summer sun, in a bikini, to the point just before a burn would occur. In Atlanta, GA, that takes me about 35 min per side, around noon, in a bikini and can only be done mid-may to mid-september. On non laying out days, I take my full dose of D. The rest of the time I am meticulously covered....long sleeves, gloves, huge hat etc as I'm *so* not interested in sustaining incidental sundamage without the benefit of serious D production.

    Anyway, once we have physiologically appropriate levels of 25(OH)D from D supplements and/or sun, calcium needs are significantly reduced as calcium absorption in the gut is improved 2-4 fold. (see the Vitamin D Council, hyperlipid and heartscan blogs for interesting disussions).

    Optimal levels of D will also often highlight magnesium and zinc deficiency and your current diet shows significant lack of both. They're easy enough though to get with some dietary tweaking and/or supplementation.

    Wishing you the very very best!
    Katherine
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    Wow thank you guys. I had never looked at the vitamin aspect of my diet and considered that it would be lacking. The magnesium and zinc I imagine would help with the constipation that I tend to suffer.

    Today has been a shocker, yep and absolute shocker.

    Breakfast - kiwi fruit, 5g goji berries
    Lunch - 200g homemade tomatoe soup, apple
    Dinner - 1 cup salad, 100g ham, 300g beef, 50g mayonnaise
    I did drink a good amount of water today, 1700ml of water, sorry I had the sweety taste so I suffercated it with 1200ml diet cola, 1 coffee and a packet of sugarfree gum.

    I am quite peeved at myself for a number of reasons, firstly I only planned on eating 50g of ham and 50g of beef for my dinner, however I was starving hungry and started munching on some more beef (I figured it was better than a scone or a roll), then after about 100g I realised how much extra I had eatten, however I was still so hungry so I thought I would add some tangy mayonnaise to the mix (as a fat) to fill me up. All in all I would have easily done 300g of beef, may be even 400g. I am so naughty. Also all day I have had the worse sweet craving. I want sweets and chocolate and ice cream and all kinds of badness so I had an apple and put down 1200ml of diet cola. On a plus side I am happy that I didn't eat anything that was not paleo (apart from the gum and diet cola).

    I am trying not to get hung up on perfection, but I had not planned to eat this much and I am miffed at myself for giving in to the munches.

    I am sticking to the positive and am on day 5 of my paleo change in lifestlye. Also I was heavily tempted by both carbs and chocolate today and I did not give in. Plus I went for a lovely walk with the husband and the dog this afternoon for about an hour, so I am getting at least some exercise in.

    Looking forward to tomorrow as I will be getting up early to go for my first walk on my own since breaking the elbows. I have to take my mobile just in case I fall over but I will be doing a bit more exercise.

    Thank you everyone for firstly reading my journal, but then caring enough to offer advise. Good luck to you all with your efforts for a family, I am surprised how complicated it is. Oh well by going paleo I have increased my chances greatly.

    xxxx

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    Oh dear, it is lunch time and I have been so frigin naughty.

    Breakfast - kiwi, 5g goji berries
    Lunch - Homemade tomatoe soup
    Then - A lunch time meeting put on by the nurtitionalists (these people need to be sacked!!). chocolate, cake, sweeties, biscuits. I held of and held of but then I found my hand grabbing a sweetie and before I knew it I had done this serveral times. I would say that I had a big bars worth of dark chocolate (my only saving grace - this is desperate - was that it was sugar free), a few mini cookies and a few handfuls of sweeties. I can not believe my thinking. I told myself not to have an apple as I needed more protein and then I knock back all of that.
    Dinner - Wil be if I get to it prawn salad.
    No diet cola today as I think that may have been making the sugar cravings worse.

    Anyone know how to kick the sugar monster into touch please let me know, also if anyone has tips to control eating also please let me know. At the moment I am concluding that may be I need to sow my mouth up!!

    Also not pregnant still. Not a good day so far. However things tend to change quite quickly.

    Told my husband last night that his little fellas need to take an IQ test and do some study as my little girl was practicing genetic selection, for the first time ever he was speachless.

    xxxx

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gumdrop View Post

    Breakfast - kiwi fruit, 5g goji berries
    Lunch - 200g homemade tomatoe soup, apple
    Dinner - 1 cup salad, 100g ham, 300g beef, 50g mayonnaise
    I did drink a good amount of water today, 1700ml of water, sorry I had the sweety taste so I suffercated it with 1200ml diet cola, 1 coffee and a packet of sugarfree gum.

    I am quite peeved at myself for a number of reasons, firstly I only planned on eating 50g of ham and 50g of beef for my dinner, however I was starving hungry and started munching on some more beef (I figured it was better than a scone or a roll), then after about 100g I realised how much extra I had eatten, however I was still so hungry so I thought I would add some tangy mayonnaise to the mix (as a fat) to fill me up. All in all I would have easily done 300g of beef, may be even 400g. I am so naughty. Also all day I have had the worse sweet craving. I want sweets and chocolate and ice cream and all kinds of badness so I had an apple and put down 1200ml of diet cola. On a plus side I am happy that I didn't eat anything that was not paleo (apart from the gum and diet cola).

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    Ok, I am super confused about criticizing yourself for eating the amount of chicken and beef you ate. By my calc, you ate about 93 grams protein with that meal, and I dont see any else in your day. In primal blueprint, we eat .7-1 gram of protein per lb lean body mass per day so I would think that would be nearly right for you. I would suggest that you spread it out though your meals and eat 20-40 grams protein with each meal. That will help you feel more satisfied throughout the day have have less sweets cravings. If you had only eaten 50g of each meat, that would only be about 20 g protein for the day, not enough for anyone. This diet is really about providing our bodies with superior nutrition, not cutting calories.

    As far as the soda habit, you could try flavored sparkling water. That always hits that spot for me. Chewing gum sends your body the message that you're eating something, so it expects food to come down the hatch. That could potentially add to your cravings. Snack on hard boiled eggs, or cut up veggie sticks.

    Also the fat you have listed there is only about 40 grams. Are you trying to starve yourself?? You need to eat to make a healthy baby.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gumdrop View Post
    Oh dear, it is lunch time and I have been so frigin naughty.

    Breakfast - kiwi, 5g goji berries
    Lunch - Homemade tomatoe soup
    Then - A lunch time meeting put on by the nurtitionalists (these people need to be sacked!!). chocolate, cake, sweeties, biscuits. I held of and held of but then I found my hand grabbing a sweetie and before I knew it I had done this serveral times. I would say that I had a big bars worth of dark chocolate (my only saving grace - this is desperate - was that it was sugar free), a few mini cookies and a few handfuls of sweeties. I can not believe my thinking. I told myself not to have an apple as I needed more protein and then I knock back all of that.
    Dinner - Wil be if I get to it prawn salad.
    No diet cola today as I think that may have been making the sugar cravings worse.

    Anyone know how to kick the sugar monster into touch please let me know, also if anyone has tips to control eating also please let me know. At the moment I am concluding that may be I need to sow my mouth up!!

    Also not pregnant still. Not a good day so far. However things tend to change quite quickly.

    Told my husband last night that his little fellas need to take an IQ test and do some study as my little girl was practicing genetic selection, for the first time ever he was speachless.

    xxxx
    I would again suggest starting your day off with a huge punch of fat and protein. Think a few slices of bacon and a few eggs with some fresh or cooked veggies instead of fruit. If you are full and satisfied to start your day, you won't be so tempted by the office crap. Also I would not think about starting IFing if I were you because depriving yourself while new on this diet can just lead to inappropriate binging later on. Focus on eating 3 super solid, healthy meals a day and go from there, and snack if you need to in between.
    Adding minerals wherever I can.

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