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    Fat toxins & cancer?

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    I went "paleo" over a year ago then did a very low carb primal (20g or less) diet from April - Oct & lost 60lbs. I was diagnosed with stage 1 ER+ breast cancer in October. I just recently have figured I'm also gluten intolerant (delayed headaches/mood swings) but not celiac.

    I know I was estrogen dominant before the diagnosis & before/after going paleo, but didn't put the 2 together until after. Also have issues with ovarian cysts...which is the initial reason I went in for tests & found out about the BC.

    Question: Is it possible the toxins stored in my 60lbs of lost fat was the cause or an accelerator for my cancer? I just read an an online article that the PCB toxins stored in body fat can increase BC risk 2-4x by binding to the estrogen receptor. Detoxification During Weight Loss | Health & Wellness News

    I still have 40# to lose, but I don't want to toxify my body and have a recurrence of estrogen receptor cancer. Anyone have advice/expertise in this area? Any suggestions on what type of Dr could help me answer these questions?

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    Don't give up on losing those additional 40#'s. Since you're ER+, it will only benefit you to lose the extra weight.

    Exercise and a mini tramp will help to move your lymph fluid to eliminate the toxins from your body. Strengthening your lymph system (immune system) and clean eating are going to be some of your best defense.

    At least that's been my personal experience as a 5 yr BC survivor
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    Arachidonic acid and its precursors promote cancer. Most Americans have significant amounts of omega-6 fatty acids stored in their fat tissue. If you lose weight, that generally involves a release of fatty acids from fat tissue, which would make them available to cause cancer.

    Inhibitory effect of a fat-free diet on mammary ... [Nutr Cancer. 1982] - PubMed - NCBI

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    Thank you for your replies. Been busy recovering from surgery. My brain has been "preoccupied".

    If Omega 6 fatty acids are released in fat loss, what is the balance to keep the O-6 from causing more harm? Omega 3?

    I want to get those last 40 lbs off, but am almost scared of releasing more toxins. I'm also faced with the possibility of surgical or prescription induced menopause (at 42) which would really screw with my hormones & cause a whole other set of risk factors. My oncologist wants me to do SOMETHING. I'm dragging my feet. I don't know what to do.

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    I hope your recovery is swift and that you are doing well.

    I've been there. Not knowing exactly what to do. It sucks. What have you done surgically so far? Has your oncologist done any genetic tests yet?

    I can't advise you to do what I did. My BC was triple negative so my choices were probably significantly different from what yours will probably be. I had a double mastectomy with reconstuction and then refused any further allopathic treatment for it. I choose to do a completely natural approach and my oncologist supported my 'out-of-the-box' methods (yeah, doc!!).

    Even though I was genetically tested for BRCA (negative) and then for recurrence percentage, which was higher than the oncologist believed it really was, I was recommended to go for oral chemo. It was only going to increase my five year survival rate by 6%. Well, I figured that I could do that well, or better, without chemo destroying what little was left of my immune system.

    There's nothing like a cancer diagnosis to inspire a person into a permenant lifestyle change. So, that's what I did.

    If you're 'dragging your feet' on making a decision, don't worry, your under enough stress already. I took a little over a month to make my decision because I knew that the cancer didn't just 'appear' in a day and it wasn't going to 'kill' me in a day either. I did a lot of research in that month just so I, and my husband, could make the choice that we felt the most comfortable with.
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    I understand your dilemma. One the one hand you realize that to get healthy you need to loose weight but by loosing the weight you risk a release of those toxins that could have been the possible cause of a new illness.
    I'm going by logical thinking and on what I have learned in laboratory school with this…

    - Loosing the fat rapidly will overload your system with these toxins. Your body is perfectly able to get rid of toxins but with everything too much of something at once will cause problems. Based on your statement that you only at 20 grams of carbs each day I'd guess that your body worked quite hard to burn up fat and therefore loading your lymph system with toxins.
    as your lymph system is your waste management system for all chemical and toxic materials it isn't only dealing with the toxins from the fat but also the toxins from normal body functions.
    Based on these thoughts I'd advise to loose the remainder 40lbs more gradually. Take it slowly, it's not a race and give your lymph system the time to deal with it. don't overload it.
    Find a lymph drainage specialist to give you advise into how to optimize the system. Drink enough filtered water and get your heart pumping the systems. be careful with what you eat, keep the toxins you eat as low as possible.

    I hope your recovery with be swift and good…

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    Have you discussed this issue with your surgeon or oncologist?

    Four years ago, I lost close to 200 lbs, and I was in my late 60s at the time. Not only was I never ill during the 3 years I was losing, I've never had any illness in the four years since then. At age 73, the only Rx I take are my thyroid hormones (hypothyroid).

    Clearly, my body wasn't affected by any 'release of toxins,' and I've always wondered whether that was somewhat misleading. I felt great throughout my weight loss and since. I realize I'm just one person, but I really suspect that your cancer is unrelated to your weight loss. That's why I'd suggest getting a medical opinion about all this to determine how safe it is for you to continue losing weight.

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    Thank you all for responding. Been busy taking care of some things & keep forgetting to check back here.

    My new PCP is "Primal friendly". Was so happy to discover that. I did ask him my question, but he couldn't answer yes or no & told me to ask my onco. I just e-mailed my oncologist my question. Took me forever because I kept forgetting....PTSD Brain. No rads or chemo for me, thankfully. I'm dealing with the beginnings of menopause due to hormone therapy I'm doing. Not sleeping well.

    Emmie: Congrats on the huge weight loss. Great to hear you've had no ill effects.

    When I was low carbing, I felt great. I loved the "not hungry" feeling. I have a hard time doing things in moderation. Either I'm really strict with my eating....or I'm chowing down. Moderation has only kept me stable. No weight loss. I think moderation in only good for me when I'm close to my final point. Being in ketosis was wonderful. I didn't think about food much. I'm struggling to get back to that point. I lose it at the end of the day....or on day 2. I don't think the stress in my life this past year has helped....so hoping now that life is stabilizing, I'll be able to continue.

    I should be just happy that I've only gained maybe 5 lbs since I was diagnosed 11 months ago. Was hoping I'd be able to lose the last 40 before I was forced into menopause since it's harder to lose...or so I hear.

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