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    Not every overweight person is going to feel comfortable taking advice from a svelte young hot lady telling them what to eat. While I'm not going to look for an overweight practitioner, I can't insult them if I don't know what they are preaching. You haters suck, those that ain't been fat should STFU.

    You wouldn’t know a FAT person if you saw them
    Thursday January 2, 2014
    by Lathe Poland
    tofiWe believe what we see.

    In fact, we can make judgements so fast that we might not even be aware that we have made them. In his book, Blink: The Power of Thinking Without Thinking, Malcom Gladwell illustrated repeatedly that we are incredibly fast at making decisions about what we see. He cited the example of test subjects that were shown a 10 second clip of a professor teaching a class (with the sound turned off). The test subjects were then asked to rate how effective a teacher they thought the professor was. Surprisingly, the subjects ranked his performance almost exactly the same way the professors ACTUAL students had, after an entire semester with him. Here is where it get’s wild. They then performed this same test using two second long clips (still without the sound) and the new group ranked the teacher the exact same way!

    Clearly, we are quick to size people up by their body language and appearance. Unlike the example of the professor, determining who is healthy and unhealthy by their appearance is much more complicated.

    This can be illustrated by the work of Professor Jimmy Bell, head of the molecular imaging group at the Medical Research Council’s centre at Imperial College, London. He discovered that out of the 800 “skinny” people he scanned with an MRI, 40% of them had massive amounts of visceral fat – specifically fat infiltration of the liver. In other words, they looked thin on the outside, but they were FAT on the inside.

    Professor Bell coined the phrase TOFI when describing these individuals, Thin on the Outside, Fat on the Inside. That means that it is likely that 40% of the “thin” people reading this are actually obese on the inside.

    Dr. Robert Lustig made this point very well in his Fructose 2.0 lecture. In it, he showed the scan results of two equally weighted men. One man had nice chubby “love handles”. The other man had very little, if any, extra fat around his midsection. He then drew our attention to all of the visceral fat packed around his internal organs. A look inside both of these men made it clear which one of them was rapidly headed for (A) Type 2 diabetes, or (B)fatty liver disease, or (C) metabolic syndrome (All of the above).

    Dr. Lustig kindly pointed out the “love handles” on the one man and said, “so what.” He added, “it’s perfectly healthy, it’s no problem, because subcutaneous fat is actually kinda good for you. There are actually studies that show more subcutaneous fat (equals) more longevity.”

    I’ll let him sum it up…

    “…The bottom line is there are a lot of normal weight people who have this phenomenon called TOFI, thin on the outside fat on the inside. Probably some right here in the audience! And they get type-2 diabetes, they get dyslipidemia, they get hypertension, etc…Everyone’s at risk, because everyone’s exposed. The question is, what it is you’re exposed to? Because obesity is not the problem, it never was…”

    I’m not sure I would have agreed with that statement a few years ago, but a few years ago I still thought I was doing just fine. Imagine my 165 lb surprise when I discovered that I had the visceral fat of a 400 lb obese man. Obesity is a measure of fat…but like Dr. Lustig said, it isn’t the fat that you can see that should worry you. It’s the fat that hides inside your body around your heart and liver. Now, when I hear about thin athletic people keeling over from heart attacks, I’m not surprised. Let’s face it…there is little doubt about the effects from what Marc Sisson calls “chronic-cardio”.

    Many carb-loading athletes look great on the outside, but their insides tell a very different story. It doesn’t help that there is so much money to be made from fitness culture. Metabolic Syndrome has some of the best ad agencies in the world doing it’s dirty work for it. However, expert after expert will tell you that real lasting health starts with your diet, not exercise. We have all known those skinny people that can eat whatever they want and don’t get fat. I was one of them. Don’t believe it for a second! According to Professor Bell, close to half of them are obese…on the inside.

    Dr. Andreas Eenfeldt summed it up when we interviewed him for the film.”…many people are born on the finish line and they assume they won the race.”

    In other words, you wouldn’t know a FAT person if you saw him. He might actually be a 165 lb obese man.

    Filmmaker Lathe Poland is one of the creators of the documentary film Carb-Loaded: A Culture Dying To Eat.

    - See more at: You wouldn't know a FAT person if you saw them - Carb-Loaded

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    Quote Originally Posted by not on the rug View Post
    I know quite a few nurses (RNs and LPNs) and all of them, except one, smoke. I can't wrap my brain around it. and most of them are clinically obese or borderline obese. what gives?
    I went to the doctor today. Everyone I interacted with was obese. For grins, I brought up my weightloss struggle to the doctor who didn't even have mockable advice. He just let me know that exercise was good for longevity. It was quite possibly the biggest waste of an hour of my life.

    Shit, the guy who inspects my car was more helpful.... he does low carb, lots of protein and is looking great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by not on the rug View Post
    I know quite a few nurses (RNs and LPNs) and all of them, except one, smoke. I can't wrap my brain around it. and most of them are clinically obese or borderline obese. what gives?
    The hours, the stress, eating as you go, have no idea about exercise cause there is a bucket load of walking

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    Quote Originally Posted by not on the rug View Post
    I know quite a few nurses (RNs and LPNs) and all of them, except one, smoke. I can't wrap my brain around it. and most of them are clinically obese or borderline obese. what gives?
    I have seen the same thing with EMS over the years. I think the smoking is often a way of dealing with the stress and it gives you an excuse to step outside of the hospital/clinic and have a few moments of quite. With paramedics/EMT, it was the constant struggle to eat something, anything, between calls. While there is an argument there for packing your own lunch, if your working a 24 hour shift, like I used to, you end up with a really big lunch, and stuff that needs to be kept cold is stuck in the fridge at the station. If your run back-to-back calls, you may not get to eat for half your shift unless you stop for fast food.

    My wife is a nurse and with her it was kind of the same. While she could take her own food, it was often a 12 hour shift, lots of food to prepare and take and it was easier to chill in the hospital restaurant and just eat their junk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by not on the rug View Post
    I know quite a few nurses (RNs and LPNs) and all of them, except one, smoke. I can't wrap my brain around it. and most of them are clinically obese or borderline obese. what gives?
    Sleep deprivation causes obesity. Hospital food is awful. Nursing work is stressful and people self-medicate with nicotine or whatever other drugs they have available. No one is too interested in improving working conditions for nurses - it's easier to pick on fat people for being fat.


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    Quote Originally Posted by meepster View Post
    Sleep deprivation causes obesity. Hospital food is awful. Nursing work is stressful and people self-medicate with nicotine or whatever other drugs they have available. No one is too interested in improving working conditions for nurses - it's easier to pick on fat people for being fat.


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    I am sure that certain areas of hospitals are stress buckets. But I was at a Family Practice clinic that is open 8 to 5. I'm sure that they experience stress, but for the most part, it seemed pretty calm.

    All the nurses I know (which include a range of sizes/fitness levels) like the schedule that includes longer shifts.

    At any rate, appearing to be less than fit makes you a not very credible source of healthy lifestyle information. I can't imagine being a dietician for the Hyvee Supermarket is as stressful as being an RN in a busy hospital.

    I'd say we are simply transitioning to a point where being obese is accepted as a normal and a condition of limited concern. I think part of my issue is I hang out with 20 something Crossfitters. When I look at my peers, for the most part, they look like the dietician. And well, at 40, they take pills and have health issues. And I look at myself and am like, damn, I am doing great; but then compared to fit people, I'm carrying excess fat.

    I feel like we are being set up for poor health being inevitable as we age. We should want better for ourselves. We should want to look like Rich and Mr Anthony and TQP. Triple Chins should not be OK, as long as we "have mobility". Excess fat is a sign that something is wrong. You'd think the medical community would give a shit and be working to figure out what is going wrong. Instead they are just like "it's OK to be fat, just stick to dark chocolate".

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    Quote Originally Posted by magnolia1973 View Post
    I'd say we are simply transitioning to a point where being obese is accepted as a normal and a condition of limited concern. I think part of my issue is I hang out with 20 something Crossfitters. When I look at my peers, for the most part, they look like the dietician. And well, at 40, they take pills and have health issues. And I look at myself and am like, damn, I am doing great; but then compared to fit people, I'm carrying excess fat.
    I was thinking about this a few days ago. I'm 58 and I take no medication, OTC or Rx but almost everyone I know around my age is fat and taking multiple medications. I'm far from being fit but at the gym in Suez last night, I was outperforming guys less than half my age. I'm not sure if that is a testament to my physical fitness or a statement about the overall condition of Egyptians (who are catching up to Americans), likely the latter.

    But still, we did about 1.5 hours of exercise and I still wasn't done, guess I'm doing ok.

    Regarding the medication, a lot of that is so unneeded. One article said that 70% of Americans are taking at least one prescription medication, 1 in 5 are taking 4 or more prescription medications.

    This does not count OTC (Over The counter) medications and I don’t think it includes vaccinations.

    And a lot of that is marketing, such as statin drugs being pushed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by meepster View Post
    Sleep deprivation causes obesity. Hospital food is awful. Nursing work is stressful and people self-medicate with nicotine or whatever other drugs they have available. No one is too interested in improving working conditions for nurses - it's easier to pick on fat people for being fat.
    It's easier to import foreigners who will put up with stressful working conditions than improve working conditions to make them humane.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Anthony View Post
    Is this a real thing? A triple-chinned dietician telling people which candy to choose? Saw this pic without any context; maybe someone can find it online for the back story.



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    What horrifies me, FAR MORE than her matching chins, is the fact that she has NO EYEBROWS! Am I the only one to note this?
    I refuse to take anyone involved seriously that allows themselves (by a make-up artist or personally) to be portrayed in such a manner. Even if she suffers from alopecia or lost them to chemotherapy, they could have at least added some to balance the face and give a truer expression.
    [wanders off shaking head] the horror, the horror....

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