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    So what have we learned from this? That you can eat traditionally prepared grains and be healthier than people on the SAD. Every day I learn a little more
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    @Stabby: Indeed.
    Arguments like "You can pull off eating X or Y becasue they don't interfere with thriving/longevity" are getting boring
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    Quote Originally Posted by SerialSinner View Post
    @Stabby: Indeed.
    Arguments like "You can pull off eating X or Y becasue they don't interfere with thriving/longevity" are getting boring
    Stabby and SerialSinner: Exactly.



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    Quote Originally Posted by SerialSinner View Post
    I am more inclined towards thinking that Okinawan's longevity is more linked to Caloric Restriction rather than the composition of their diet.
    The Wikipedia article says their diet is particularly rich in sweet potatoes. Who wrote the pdf file? You know there are all sorts of PC versions of the Mediterranean and Okinawan diet floating around. I linked to an actual scientific paper.
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    I think the overall question is important. Do carbs affect ones longevity a la Rosedale, or is it fructose/wheat that are the real culprits? I mean, steak is great and all, but potatoes are yummy too...

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    I tend to agree with the Inuit that vegetation in general is not fit for human consumption. Broccoli is indeed a vile weed. Interesting study on ketogenic diet, carbs and the fat/protein ratios in the traditional Inuit diet.
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    I lived in Okinawa and, from what I saw, their diet had decidedly less rice and pasta than other Asian cuisines. But, if we're examining their current diet, I assume you'd find a lot more crap. And, of note, their longevity is also decreasing.
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    I think the issue with comparing cultures is, as roszka alludes to, is the "Paul Harvey" of it all. For example, the French. They eat a TON of grains (breads) and alcohol, etc...but they also eat about a 10th of the sugar that Americans do (I don't have the citation here, but I can look for it), don't shy away from fats & oils, walk/ride bikes a lot (cause it's so dang expensive to drive there), have famously shorter workweeks, and the lower stress "European" lifestyle.... So, in my mind, they are halfway along the battle - they might still have grains, but they don't have all the processed sugar, or at least not nearly as much as the average American/Aussie/Canadian/Briton. I know these are broad generalizations, but work with me on this - looked at another way, the "typical" European lifestyle has more of the Primal Laws than a lot of Americans...which to me is a good indicator that Mark and the PB are really, really on to something and also that the 10 laws aren't necessarily in rank order...that the more of the laws one incorporates into life, the better off they will be...maybe the majic number really is 80% of the laws 80% of the time... :-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Primal Dave View Post
    I think the issue with comparing cultures is, as roszka alludes to, is the "Paul Harvey" of it all. For example, the French. They eat a TON of grains (breads) and alcohol, etc
    but they really don't. While bread and alcohol are important parts of meals, overall, caloric intake especially irt grain products is very low. I've spent a lot of time in Florence, Italy over the last couple of years and am suprised every day by how little people actually eat. Even the ubiquitous pasta is measured prior to cooking to control portion sizes.

    And both traditional french and italian diets are much closer to PB than one might think at just a glance.



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    Quote Originally Posted by cillakat View Post
    but they really don't. While bread and alcohol are important parts of meals, overall, caloric intake especially irt grain products is very low. I've spent a lot of time in Florence, Italy over the last couple of years and am suprised every day by how little people actually eat. Even the ubiquitous pasta is measured prior to cooking to control portion sizes.

    And both traditional french and italian diets are much closer to PB than one might think at just a glance.
    100% agree with that! I went to a french restaurant the other day and the menu had no grains legumes etc. Filled with meat fish a few vegetables and fatty sauces or butter.
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