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    Yeah the problem seems to be that every inch y go up, energy is lost which could have been used for bringing the bar up. And if you go up, it takes more time to get down ofcourse. Sounds legit, but I can't manage not to jump. Yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by toscamulder View Post
    Yeah the problem seems to be that every inch y go up, energy is lost which could have been used for bringing the bar down. And if you go up, it takes more time to get down ofcourse. Sounds legit, but I can't manage not to jump. Yet.
    I'm guessing this is a typo. Gravity brings the bar down. It's a race for you to get under the bar before gravity can get to it. So whatever allows you to pull it highest, a/k/a jumping makes the most sense to me. Of course, the heavier the weight, the less high it will go. But what allows you to pull the most weight high enough to get under it will be the same thing that lets you pull a given weight the highest. So I vote for that. But other people are content to pull it lower because they feel it puts them in a position to get under the bar more quickly. So we have to look at the physics. The biomechanics behind the different models. And probably we'll never all agree. Damn complex multi-levered systems and all that junk.

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    Haha typo indeed. Up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RichMahogany View Post
    Powerlifting Coach Mark Rippetoe's Weightlifting Coaching Credentials:

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    Rip obtained his USWF Level III certification in 1988 at the USOCs Olympic Training Center in Colorado Springs with Mike Stone, Harvey Newton, and Angel Spassov on faculty. His USAW Senior Coach certification was achieved in 1999 at the OTC with Lyn Jones, John Thrush, and Mike Conroy. He was invited, as an Olympic weightlifting coach, to the Olympic Solidarity course at the OTC in 2000. He taught both the USAW Club Coach course and the Sports Performance Coach course with Dr. Kilgore from 1999 through 2005. Rip served as the president of the North Texas Local Weightlifting Committee of USAW from 2004-2011. He coached and participated in the coaching of James Moser, Glenn Pendlay, Dr. Kilgore, Josh Wells (Junior World Team 2004) most of the national and international-level athletes on the Wichita Falls Weightlifting team, which was hosted and coached at WFAC from 1999 through 2006, as well as the collegiate weightlifting team from Midwestern State University through 2010. Rip still actively coaches the sport on a daily basis at WFAC, and the power clean and power snatch at our seminars around the country every month.
    but you probably know better...
    List of world class athletes trained by Mark Rippetoe:
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    Mark Rippetoe hasn't produced any top level powerlifters, much less a top level weightlifter. He's good at selling books, and he teaches novices the importance of progression. And that's about it.

    In fact, Mark Bell barely knew who Rippetoe was when he was asked about his training methods in a video interview. You'd think that the owner of The Power Magazine (and one of the best powerlifters to have ever walked this earth) would know everything about this amazing powerlifting guru.

    Hmm, I wonder what the Chinese and Russian weightlifting coaches think of his training methods and weightlifting certificates

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    CrossFit match BeNeLux sunday: Lowlands Throwdown.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kharnath View Post
    List of world class athletes trained by Mark Rippetoe:
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    Mark Rippetoe hasn't produced any top level powerlifters, much less a top level weightlifter. He's good at selling books, and he teaches novices the importance of progression. And that's about it.

    In fact, Mark Bell barely knew who Rippetoe was when he was asked about his training methods in a video interview. You'd think that the owner of The Power Magazine (and one of the best powerlifters to have ever walked this earth) would know everything about this amazing powerlifting guru.

    Hmm, I wonder what the Chinese and Russian weightlifting coaches think of his training methods and weightlifting certificates
    I'm sorry, the list of world class athletes trained by Kharnath isn't showing up on my screen. Is it because of my company's firewall? Or did you forget to include it?

    The Chinese and Russians who squat and deadlift and out-weightlift us in every Olympics for the past 4 decades because they're stronger than us? I bet they wish Rip would stop trying to convince the USAW team to get stronger. I'm not sure what your point is there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kharnath View Post
    384 lbs deadlift @ 114 lbs bodyweight = 172 Wilk's score = advanced lifter
    610 lbs deadlift @ 319 lbs bodyweight = 154 Wilk's score = elite lifter

    Something doesn't add up. The "elite" heavyweight lifter would have to lift 680ish pounds to beat the "advanced" lightweight lifter in a deadlift competition.

    And now back to your very interesting discussion about power cleans and how powerlifting coach Mark Rippetoe teaches it...
    I've posted this quote on here before, but it seems appropriate again. Here's Rippetoe's take on those "strength standards."

    "We did them in 2006. Me and Lon pulled them out of our asses, okay? He pulled some out of my ass, I pulled some out of his ass. They are meaningless bullshit. If you are even semi-conscious you will IGNORE THEM COMPLETELY." - Mark Rippetoe
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    Quote Originally Posted by RichMahogany View Post
    Interesting stuff. My power cleans suck, so I have been considering incorporating some speed (dynamic) deadilfts in their place. The right solution is to get better at the power cleans, but these are another couple of interesting options.



    Yeah, we're definitely in agreement that developing power is useful to max effort strength.
    I'd recommend the hip bridges for sure. You've mentioned you work out at home so it won't be such a big deal but in the gym people look at you pretty funny because you look like you're trying to power hump the ceiling. So use a barbell across your hips to add weight. People stop giggling a bit when you start explosively bridging 275. The ladies don't seem to mind either for some reason.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by RichMahogany View Post
    Interesting stuff. My power cleans suck, so I have been considering incorporating some speed (dynamic) deadilfts in their place. The right solution is to get better at the power cleans, but these are another couple of interesting options.
    Rich, what's a typical power clean rep like for you?

    For me, I walk up to the bar, put my feet where they need to be, grab the bar with a hook grip, and turn my arms inward. Then, I slowly pull it up (like a deadlift) and when it gets just above my knees, I think "explode" (stupid cue, but it works for me) and then rotate my elbows as quickly as I can. My heels leave the ground but not my toes.

    I've drank quite a bit of Rippetoe Kool-Aid (AKA whiskey) but I actually couldn't figure out how to power clean from his book. I had to watch a bunch of Youtube videos, and it took a lot of practice before I figured out how to get my ankles, knees, hips, and shoulders to work together.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jefferson1775 View Post
    Rich, what's a typical power clean rep like for you?

    For me, I walk up to the bar, put my feet where they need to be, grab the bar with a hook grip, and turn my arms inward. Then, I slowly pull it up (like a deadlift) and when it gets just above my knees, I think "explode" (stupid cue, but it works for me) and then rotate my elbows as quickly as I can. My heels leave the ground but not my toes.

    I've drank quite a bit of Rippetoe Kool-Aid (AKA whiskey) but I actually couldn't figure out how to power clean from his book. I had to watch a bunch of Youtube videos, and it took a lot of practice before I figured out how to get my ankles, knees, hips, and shoulders to work together.
    Pretty much the same. The "stomp your feet" cue works better for me than the explode cue. For some reason I hesitate when I think about exploding, but not when I think about stomping (which requires the explosion anyway). And I think about slamming my anterior delts up into the bar rather than bringing up the elbows, but that's just another way of saying the same thing. I learned by following the steps in the SS book, videotaping each part (I think there are 8 parts) and watching each one and making corrections before moving on to the next. It was tedious and I'm still not good at them, but my form has been deemed reasonable by the SS coaches, so onward I go.

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