I can see that. For me, that is what happens when I fasted also. I could lose weight fasting, but then it all comes right back. And I was definitely not eating too many calories. I know this because I anally track daily.
Originally Posted by sbhikes
Some day, I won't have to. But for now, I feel I need to. I have no clue what anything has. Even all the things you mentioned, all sounds good, but I dont have a clue the calories or macros, and I get what you are saying, don't worry about it, but for me, for now, I feel like I have to in order to meet my goals. The first thing ppl say when you say you arent losing weight, ppl say well you must be eating too much, calories do matter. So this way, I know.
You are correct, it's not magic. Just a tool. Maybe a crutch to some. To eat crappy on the weekend or eat their 20% but now instead of feeling bloated for a few days to a week and just deal with it, there are a few things they can do about it, if they want to. I dont think anyone is saying anyone has to. And the only "preaching" is when someone questions it. In fact, most of it was contained to it's own little thread(s). But when it is questioned in other threads or round about ways referenced, I dont see the harm in presenting the other side. People can make up their own minds.
It would be dead on other threads and self-contained to its own, if others didnt drag it out. Just like the fast threads and the more fat thread. Doesnt interest me anymore, and rather than go and regurgitate why it doesnt work for me, I just let it be. It works for some ppl so why should I go rain on their parade just cuz I am not one of them. We all have to find our way.
But the good thing though, and why these forums are good, is that it does get ppl talking. People thinking. It is good that we learn from each other. Things that work. Things that don't. Things we want to try and things to stay away from. I know for me, I tried to do what worked for others, and it just didnt work for me. So I could have quit. I could have wondered forever what was wrong with me, instead I kept reading. I kept learning. I kept trying.
So it is good to have opposing sides and opinions even though we all stem from the same primal place.
Hey, Althaur! I think this is a good thread you started. I take it from you being in Afghanistan you are in the military. I did 21 years in the USAF and spent many, many months in Iraq, Afghanistan, Kyrgyzstan, as well as many African locations between the wars.
Originally Posted by Althaur
When I was in, I ate whatever I wanted and exercised as little as possible. As long as I kept under my weight max and could do my annual PT test, I was golden. It looks like you maybe have a little more sense in how you are eating than I did.
One of the big secrets to fast weight loss for a weigh-in was Atkins. Meat and lettuce for 2 weeks and you'd drop 10 pounds easy. 2 weeks later, you'd gain it all back plus a few. And that effort was used to keep me at a level considered obese! When I first joined at age 17, I was a skinny 155 pound kid. By age 20, I was at 180 and when I retired I weighed 210 (I'm 5'10).
Within 2 years of retiring, I weighed 250, was on meds for high bp, high trigs, high chol (statins), hypothyroid, sleep apnea, gout, and pre-diabetic. I was eating whole-grain/low-fat and getting worse. I'd bounce between 220-250. I found paleo/Primal Blueprint in 2010, quickly got down to 185lbs, then spent 12 months getting to 175. During this time I got off all meds and bloodwork is perfect. I went from not being able to do 1 pullup to doing 30.
I was stuck at 175 for 6 months, exercising, IF'ing, carb loading, keto'ing, and all the normal hacks when I came across the idea of eating a starchy, single food diet for 1-2 weeks which would kick your fat-loss into overdrive, while at the same time building huge stores of friendly gut bacteria and stabilizing blood sugar/insulin. I tried it quietly because it seemed like utter BS. I ate potatoes for 2 weeks and lost 10 pounds. I was able to get down to 160 pounds-- a weight I hadn't seen since Boot Camp. After resuming normal PB eating, I lost 2 more pounds then stabilized at about 165 where I've been for about 6 months now.
I am working on a personal plan to keep starchy foods in my daily menu and use the 'Potato Reset' to maintain my weight between 162-168 year-round. At this weight, I don't snore, sleep like a baby, have energy I can't believe, and stay extremely motivated to lift heavy things, sprint and walk 3-5 miles a day.
I have to say I am impressed with all of you that can do the potato diet. I am on day 2 of the GAPS intro diet, which is mostly soups and I am finding it very trying. I really can't imagine eating just potatoes; I am sure I would be impossible to live with.
From some stuff I've read, whether we crash off the weight or follow the solid 2 lbs/wk advice, most of us will put it back on within five years. Part of it is lack of planning or the mindset that diet is a temporary thing, but part of it is some hormone that makes people who lose a lot of weight feel hungry.
That said, while I find primal to be a very healthy way of eating, for those who need more than a few pounds lost per year to stay interested, I don't see any problem with occasionally doing a three day fast or doing 400-500 calories twice a week, or even eating a single food for a week. When one considers the amount of disease attributed to obesity, I believe that anything that doesn't harm a person is a good way to lose weight.
I know I always come back to quitting smoking, but I find that the same people who would be fine with someone taking an antidepressant to quit smoking are far more critical of people who want to lose weight taking short cuts. So, even people who are "into health," don't take the problems of obesity seriously. It's not a vanity thing. A person who smokes will probably die of something related to smoking. But it is also true that a morbidly obese person will also most likely die from something related to that obesity.
"Right is right, even if no one is doing it; wrong is wrong, even if everyone is doing it." - St. Augustine
Who says back fat is a bad thing? Maybe on a hairy guy at the beach, but not on a crab.
Good post. I do see this as a lifestyle. So far, I feel terrific eating this way. I exercise harder than Mark would recommend (I do P90X) but it feels good to me and does not feel like I'm overtraining. I did Insanity for a while and that DID feel like I was overtraining and I stopped. But the dietary component of PB is working for me and I feel great. I see no reason why I can't do this for life. Over the holidays I kept things very moderate and only went off-plan for Thanksgiving and New Years and I lost 11 lbs during that time period. I don't have a bunch of cravings for sweets and junk and don't want to sabotage the work I've done so far by eating a bunch of crap.
Love this thread
Very true. I have a childhood friend who has struggled with his weight for his whole life. I have no idea what the stats are, but he's yo-yoed between slim and borderline obese, many times. Last time I met him he told me that he's lost and gained half a tonne in his life
Originally Posted by JoanieL
Nutrition is a vital component to being the right weight for you, but for many people there's an emotional aspect too. I think there needs to be a holistic approach or it doesn't work, long term. You can sort out the outer problem til you deal with the inner.
Originally Posted by Leida
I had to get up out of my cozy "nest" and go look! And I can't find my book. I checked both "libraries" and other potential places. I did find my 21 Day transformation though
Originally Posted by cmlloyd
I didnt have this kindle thing on my computer when I bought it. I wish I would have. Would be nice to have it at my fingertips.
If you have PB on your kindle you can go to amazon and read it in the cloud on your computer. So you have it both places.
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Oh no, I meant I didnt have that, or know about it, when I bought my PB. It wasnt until I bought PHD at Amazon that I realized I could get that Cloud thing on my computer. But thanks for the info though. I feel like I have fallen behind the times with most of the recent technologies. Much past the laptop & flip phone, boggles my brain