I actually like that name they gave it... A Paleo Template: The Best Way To Combat Adaptation?
I would say that's correct. By refusing to kill ourselves with grains, we are indeed failing to help humanity adapt to them. But somehow, I just can't seem to give a fig. Sacrificing my health on the altar of what's good for the species completely blows.
Firstly, just want to affirm that I'm not being confrontational here
There's something spacey about Ray Peat's writings, so I can understand why he would irritate people. There is a wide attitude of "cold, hard facts" in Western culture, yet ironically, most of the people who make significant discoveries are dreamers (even Yudkin was described as such).
Not that I hero-worship Peat, or believe he's going to discover the secret of immortality, but I will say one thing: the more I adopt his protocols, the better I feel. I don't think everyone should try and eat like this, but he focuses a lot on particular hormones, like thyroid, oestrogen etc, so if you have issues with these, his suggestions really help.
I never drink soft drinks or eat gummy bears. What I do:
- Add gelatine to my coffee
- Eat a lot of dairy and fruit
- Avoid PUFA (no chicken, pig, nuts, seeds. I do eat fish)
- Get my meat from shellfish, and red meat.
Part of the problem with his dietary suggestions is that they reduce the need for cooking, so most people would be subconsciously turned off by this alone. Since I started eating more like this I haven't cooked once. I've been eating a lot of mono meals. Again, not for everyone, but I like the simplicity of it. I have digestive issues, and this seems to help a lot.
Secondly, I'm not an expert, but doesn't eating change your metabolism? I've read studies where they said that eating protein raises your metabolism by 20ish%, carbs by 4%, fat by 2%. I also saw a study where someone's basal metabolic rate was measured at the start of a 30 day period of a particular woe, and at the end, and it rose by the equivalent of 200 cals. Also, the volume that you eat changes your metabolism?
Actually, I believe that objectivity is impossible, because the act of observation automatically changes the outcome of an experiment (according to quantum physics).
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"I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.
In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."
- Ray Peat
Thus, it is also hard to take someone seriously who attempts to debunk anothers research when.....they have not read their research with any thought or integrity. Or even at all.
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With this way, it's easier all round. It's still only an experiment for me but so far;
Extremely relaxed(bu...but sugar makes you WIRED and C-C-C-RAZY?)
10 x more energy, which wasn't bad previously but something was 'off'
Coping with stress and 'negative' stuff far more efficiently
Mental clarity through the roof, no more brain fog
General improvement in mood
General free-flow in my body
NO gas, 1st class craps every day(tbh not much of an issue previously, but I believe we must strive toward perfection or else)
Satiated - and yet I don't feel the need to eat every 2 hrs
It's still not perfect(for me, not sure such an ideal exists but I strive) and I'm going to have to see how things play out. I may be consuming a little too much liquid.
Yesterday I ate:
leftover white potato fried in coconut oil then slathered with the stuff and pinch of salt/3 eggs/Pint of OJ with a pinch of bicarb soda
1 Cup of coffee with whole milk
4 Pints whole milk (pasteurised, un-homogenised, grass fed)
200g cheese (unpastuerised, animal rennet, grass fed)
Another pint of OJ.
Bowl of strawberries
White rice w/liberal slab of Kerrygold butter and oxtail, pinch of salt
TBSP cocoa powder(no soya Lethicin, just cane sugar and cocoa)
Raw grated carrott w/coconut oil
'Bout 3000kcals, but who's counting. As you can see, no gummy bears, no coke, no ice cream(though I do eat that, homemade shiz). That's just an example. I've done days of pure liquid, which I'd think would be a rarity. I also eat lamb liver, not much beef recently because i haven't felt the need but I love that stuff so probably soon. ~Got a bowl of cherries sitting infront of me.
Vegetables I'm really not interested in. Oh well. My Grandma's barely eaten a vegetable in the last 70 yrs, she's now 90 y/o and still riding horses.
And that's a problem?Part of the problem with his dietary suggestions is that they reduce the need for cooking, so most people would be subconsciously turned off by this alone. Since I started eating more like this I haven't cooked once. I've been eating a lot of mono meals. Again, not for everyone, but I like the simplicity of it. I have digestive issues, and this seems to help a lot.
I'd say the only problem is not people refuting Peat's research with counter-research, but people refuting his research because it doesn't fit in with their established dogma. I'm always banging the context drum, and saying that individual context matters greatly - advice given on this forum is often lacking any regard for context - which is why I like Peat's work.
"Firstly, Ray Peat doesn't just talk about metabolism in terms of how may calories you burn per hour: he talks aout in terms of how efficiently your body processes energy. He says that a body that really maximises the fuels given to it improves exponentially in all aspects. This is why he links intelligence and metabolism.
Secondly, I'm not an expert, but doesn't eating change your metabolism? I've read studies where they said that eating protein raises your metabolism by 20ish%, carbs by 4%, fat by 2%. I also saw a study where someone's basal metabolic rate was measured at the start of a 30 day period of a particular woe, and at the end, and it rose by the equivalent of 200 cals. Also, the volume that you eat changes your metabolism?"
1) I am about a familiar with his work as a 12 year old is to Stephen Hawking's. I am not looking for a protocol change because what I do is very easy and very effective, for me....that said, the theories behind it are not new, and I have never seen convincing studies or proof that they work. Like I have said before, the question is never "does this work?". The question is "Is this the minimum effective dose?"....if I can get these results with this work/hassle over here, but I could be getting SUPERIOR results with this here, I am not getting the MED. I am spinning my wheels.
2) You are referring to the thermogenic effect of food, which causes some food to require more energy to digest....I am always very leery any time I see anyone use the word "metabolism". What does that mean? Are you processing ATP faster, building more mito, what? More often than not it is a spacey term people insert in to make their approach look scientific when it is not....it's ok that it's not, but that word is a red-flag for me. I have never seen a study that shows metabolism, actual RATE of ATP use, varies based on nutrition sources. Cells simply don't behave that way....I am very open to being proven wrong on this.
The whole problem with this Danny Roddy stuff is that it is hard to measure. Especially compared to CICO. CICO is tidy but hormones are subjective. In my opinion CICO is not the answer. I've spent years working on ships alongside guys who eat the same menu and do the same work and the results are not the same. If CICO was real everyone in any kind of isolation would morph to look like their peers
I've done LC and got pretty lean but also weaker and more injury prone. My body works better on a natural diet eating carbs as well as fat and protein. Doing this I don't maintain a single digit BF but I feel and perform better, my PRs improve, joint pain goes away enjoy life more. Probably the only thing I have logged for years are my workouts and without any doubt I get stronger and have more endurance when I eat carbs and dairy.
I honestly don't believe I am meant to be ripped. I'm by no means fat or even overweight but certainly not CK model style either.
Are Danny Roddy and Ray Peat right? I honestly don't know but it is something to think about especially of you are someone who beats themselves up about not being paleo/ primal enough (i.e. I'm not losing weight anymore, maybe my beef is not 100% grass fed)
They did all sorts of poking and prodding. Ultrasound didn't show any abnormalities other than thickened endometrial lining. I'm not producing enough (or virtually any) progesterone. They started me on provera. The first GYN they sent in wanted to give me a shot of estrogen. WTF? I have plenty! Anyway, I dodged that bullet but I'm still a wreck.
I've had lifelong hypertension, but my BP in the hospital was under 100/60s the whole time. I'm thankful for the blood donations. ER nurse looked at my palms and showed me how everyone else's in the room were bright pink; mine were pale and yellow and my lips were blue. My husband is still traumatized.