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Well if you figure out how to do that please let me know so I can inform my liver. Thank you.
Ray Peat Forum
"A place to discuss everything Ray Peat"
“You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist.”
And that's why I'm here eating HFLC Primal/Paleo.
Secondly, tell me once where I ridiculed someone who made Paleo™ work for them and told them to stop eating that way? I just got done talking about how many folks I work with are die hard Paleo™ fanatics and I don't try to convert them or talk them out of it? Why should I if it works for them? The whole "make it work for you" comment was pretty funny to me though...why should I eat six potatoes when oatmeal, bread, and bagels do the trick? Do I really have to love sweet potatoes that much? LOL
The study design was short term however the empirical evidence overwhelms us. If you want to live long and healthy then wouldn't you study the folks who have the longest lifespans with the least incidence of chronic diseases? How about those with low obesity rates? Hint, very few of these societies would eat a diet that is Paleo™ approved.
I'm glad you chimed in though because your post struck me as the prototypical "I found something that works so how dare you criticize it as I've become emotionally vested in it" comment. These are the most fascinating comment types I come across...
No harm, no foul - my friend. You have always struck me as one of the most sensible of the "harder core" Paleo™ crowd here. Again, I never recommend "over indulging" and always maintain the stance of maintaining your targets over the long term. Many will find that they have considerable "wiggle room" where they can choose to eat non Primal treats, some even daily. As you said, the only real disconnect between us is that you still seem to be reserving caution that non "primal approved" foods somehow automatically lead to chronic issues. I would challenge you to back that up, or at least think about how there is really no evidence that this is true. Interestingly enough, as you also mention, you have "cheat days" at least once a week. What is a "cheat" though? Does it mean you have a couple pieces of pizza or a bowl of ice cream or a huge bowl of rice?Originally Posted by Neckhammer
If so, you basically have kind of summarized my entire point here . Why deprive yourself of a type of food you enjoy if you can do so and still hit all your targets?
Nah, it was traditional Russian candy, filled chocolates, and sweet condensed milk toffee-style stuff, caramels - they still know how to make really yum sweets down there. Stuff here is never tasted as good. Most ice-cream was old style cream and sugar one, I am guessing or hoping. Pasteurized, of course, but our dairy is pretty versatile with may things not available here. Interestingly, after yesterday's episode I am not craving it any more. Watermelon on another hand... and cherries... (sigh). *Administers another lick of coconut butter*.
I had experience with consuming those healthy gummies daily after my preg in the afternoon, cherry twizzers, smal bag from a vending machine, as I recall. Once I dropped this habit, along with the healthy serving of berry field pastry after supper, my pg weight start going down.... that's all it took from 150+ to ~ 138 lbs. Just that daily bag of healthy candy.
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When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be.
Stacking~ I think maybe we're talking about two different things here~ you seem to think most of us deprive ourselves because Mark says so. Actually, most came here just like I did~ because our body had already made it's displeasure known and we were looking for a reason why, and how to turn it around..
Bottom line, the only thing you can control is what you put in your mouth.
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I went extremely low carb on my vacation during the long pre- and post-drive to and from the active hiking portion of my vacation. I just drove and ate pemmican, lettuce and turkey in minimal amounts. I never really felt hungry.
During the hike I ate moderate carb paleo backpacking food I made myself. (Moderate for backpacking anyway.) We hiked about 12 hours a day at altitude. I know I didn't eat enough while we hiked. I could feel the hunger well up and then a switch went off and I could tell I was consuming my body fat instead.
Being able to do this means you can exercise strenuously on very little food without a loss of strength or energy. This is what I like about being a "fat burning beast." The metabolic flexibility and the lack of shakiness, dizziness or lethargy that I used to know in the past. No need to keep an energy bar in my pocket.
What's not clear is the long-term effects of doing this. Short term, for a week, it may be a decent way to lose weight. I lost 5lbs. I lost a notch on my belt. That is to say, I used being a fat-burning beast plus the CO part of the equation to my advantage.
I have not found being a fat-burning beast plus changing the CI part of the equation to be as effective now that I'm at a reasonable weight.
I would think that if you are stuck at some weight, if there's any way to get out of your normal routine for a while and try to manipulate the CO part of the equation to your advantage, you might have better success at pushing the needle than simply cutting calories more and more and more. At least if you manipulate the CO part you are doing things that rev up your metabolism and your body's production of various hormones. In my case, I have to really push very very hard. An hour's worth of additional exercise is not enough.
What remains to be seen for myself is if the weight stays off or comes right back. I really feel an outsized appetite at the moment. It sure was fun to wear a bikini this weekend and feel good about it, though.
Female, 5'3", 50, Max squat: 202.5lbs. Max deadlift: 225 x 3.