Female, age 51, 5' 9"
SW - 183 (Jan 22, 2012), CW - 159, GW - healthy.
Met my 2012 goals by losing 24 pounds.
2013 goals are to get fit and strong!
I think what annoyed was her dismissing the fact that some people just can't handle whole grains or wheat. I am convinced that grains and wheat are why I am fat and I think more people need to know about/understand just how much they can *(&(& with some people.
I guess some people are that way about fruits and sugar. For me there is no moderating my consumption of wheat and grain products.
At any rate we need more solutions than "low fat" or moderation.... and she kind of dismisses that. It seems like everyone has a different mix of eating for successful loss- from full on low fat vegan to all I eat is meat and veggies. I LOVE that Mark focuses on experimentation and finding what works for you.
In the same way, some of the impacts of fructose may be offset not only by sunlight and activity, but also by the presence of antioxidants and other chemical compounds in our fruit.
I'm not in any way stating that someone who is seriously obese with metabolic syndrome should go out and eat piles of fruit and buckets of honey. But I don't think that we would be seeing the epidemic of metabolic disorders that we see if people were eating lots of fruit instead of eating lots of sugar-laden processed foods (and even worse, sweet beverages). We simply wouldn't be getting sick the way we are now.
And as jojohaligo says, it's really hard to eat a large quantity of fruit, especially if one is also consuming adequate protein and fat. I probably eat vastly more fruit than many primals--usually 2-3 servings per day, sometimes more--and that's spread over an entire day and still contains far less fructose than one sees in studies of isolated fructose, which in many cases can be 100+ grams of fructose per day. For a reference, an apple contains about 10g of fructose.
I truly think it depends on the person what the right mix of whole foods is. No one should eat processed.... but in the realm of meat, fruit, veggies, dairy- it's all good. I mean there are people who's health changes for the better when they eliminate meat... It makes sense that some flourish when they eliminate fruit.
But I think the fruit thing is blown out of proportion. There is a massive difference between a fresh, organic apple and a spoonful of HFCS, just as there's a massive difference between grassfed steak and a processed hot dog made with CAFO mystery meat.
I genuinely believe that if people were raised from childhood eating quality meats and eggs, fresh fruits and vegetables, and healthy fats, along with a reasonable level of activity, we would see very, very few people with metabolic syndrome or other diet-related diseases.
I think you've said it before, Magnolia--it's not the bananas that were the problem.
Just a point of clarification for the record. I do not necessarily eat a VLC diet just because choco says I do. He also thinks I have an eating disorder just because I watch my carbs and don't wolf down pounds of sweet potatoes at a time.
LC yes, VLC no.
VLC is helpful for getting into ketosis and I experiment with that. I don't always live there permanently.
Sorry paleobird, I thought you were doing full-time VLC for ketogenic purposes. My mistake! Either way, I don't think you have an ED, just that you have specific health reasons for avoiding too many carbs, just like I have to be extra-vigilant about gluten as a celiac and can't afford the "cheats" that some other people can.
It's just that choco and some others tend to paint anyone who watches their carbs as some kind of zero carb extremist.