Thanks guys, this is a good thread. I need some more motivation to get more local meat (and vegetables, though doing better on that front)!
Joanie-- thanks for clarifying, that makes sense if the issue is GMO.
I guess for me the issue is always clouded by how Russia has outlawed GMO, but I see that as in large part a move to promote Russian/former Soviet countries' products inside those countries, not about the health arguments ([url=http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390444358804578018472810435506.html]Russia Suspends Use of Genetically Modified Corn - WSJ.com[/url]) that the Russian gov't has put out... so, I think it's pretty hard to get an idea of what is going on in other countrys' production.
[QUOTE=Urban Forager;1151094]Hey Joanie,
It's about time you started a journal! I always enjoy reading your posts.
It seems as though DH and I spend a lot of our time and energy getting or making food; we have our own chickens, we buy half a cow, DH grows a lot of our veggies and this year he raised 2 hogs. Now we are curing and smoking our own bacon and making our own sausage. When we go to a regular store we buy TP, tissues, wine that sort of thing, not any food.
I'm with you on hating stores like WF; you have to be more on top of it when shopping there, their marketing is more slick. Ages ago I lived in a town that had several groovy health food stores and then WF moved and now it's the only option. Glad I now live in town that has a locally owned health food store where the owner buys from local farmers.[/QUOTE]
Thank you! :) Wow, you are taking the labor intensive approach. I never realized WFoods was ruining small health food stores. When I lived in Eugene, it seemed that Market of Choice co-existed easily with smaller stores (but then again, hairy legs and Birkenstocks are still very accepted there. LOL) Northern CA is so beautiful.
I agree with Urban Forager - it's about time you started a journal! Your posts are always insightful and honest, not to mention the fact that you have a killer sense of humor.
I'm eager to look at the info in the links provided thus far.
Welcome and thank you, GoJenGo! Although at times I fear this place might feel like ďabandon all hope ye who enter here,Ē since as with most class clowns, I have my dark side.
Okay. My name is JoanieL and I am a food snob. There you have it. While I try to be egalitarian in most things, I find that even before primal, I was a bit of a food snob. Primal has exacerbated it.
When I lived in a small town in FL, I tried pizza twice, and then gave it up because like coffee, Iíd rather go without than eat bad pizza. Eventually a couple from Jersey opened a little pickup pizza place and my pizza-eating days were back. I bring my own coffee and travel coffeemaker when I'm on the road because I hate starting the day with bad coffee and tea doesnít do it for me in the morning.
I remember when I first started reading the forums and people would post that they were going out to eat and they wanted advice as to which was more primal and named places like TGIF or Ruby Tuesday. And while I try never to hurt peopleís feelings, and so I wouldnít post anything crappy, Iíd think, ďThatís not going out to eat, thatís where you take your doddering mother on her big day out to the mall.Ē If Iím going to pay to go out to eat, I want good food. Seriously.
Lest you think that I think that Iím some princess who is above the fray, Iíll confide that when in the mood to get shit-faced, I have been known to drink the vilest cheap vodka. I love good tequila for shots, but if Iím using alcohol as a drug, I pretty much only care about the proof.
Anyway, this morning I was thinking about how maybe being a bit of a snob food-wise might be a blessing in disguise, and probably made it a bit easier for me to adapt to Primal.
I had plenty of non-primal foods (mostly condiments, diet pudding, and non-dairy creamer) in my home before the switch, and I certainly ate CAFO meats. But while I wasnít above occasionally picking up a frozen Mexican dinner,* I didnít live on them. And when I occasionally bought that Special K with the dehydrated strawberries, it was as a midnight snack food Ė I didnít think of it as nourishment.
*These frozen goodies were a steal. 600 calories, tasted awesome, about a pound of food, all for $1.88. I shit you not. Needless to say, the ingredient list is unwholesome at best.
Shopping went like this (boring, but I can be a creature of habit). Pick up meat: chicken, ground beef, whatever pork was on sale, many cans of tuna. A pound or two of frozen salmon. Get five dozen eggs. Frozen fruit/berries, cauliflower, and brussel sprouts. Always had onions, mushrooms, rice, pasta, and tomatoes on hand. Then round it out with whatever condiments I needed. Occasionally some Progresso soup. Take a trip down the produce aisle to see if anything calls out to me. Some diet bread (High Fructose Corn Syrup up the ass), and a stop at the deli for a pound of ham and some cheese. Oh, and I ate things like canned sardines, anchovies, and kippers even back then, I just didnít know about BPAs.
I ate an average of one to two meals a week prepared by someone other than myself. My first meal of the day, excluding a cup or three of coffee was rarely before 3pm. I ate simple foods, mostly, and I am queen of the one pot meals mostly because I hate doing dishes, but also because I knew even then that even preparing my own simple food was just better for me than anything I could get at McD, Popeyeís, Subway, etc.
So, sometimes when I see posts of how difficult Primal is, I try to wonder how folks were eating before they decided to switch. And my mind goes to some interesting scenarios.
Shopping: Walking down the cereal aisleÖ Lucky Charms Ė theyíre magickly atrocious! Could we please imprison the person who put marshmallows in a cereal marketed at children? Some Fruity-Os. Okay, now some cereal for me Ė ah, Count Chocula, yum. Guilt washes over our shopper and s/he thinks that perhaps once in a while, the kids at least, should have a nice hot breakfast. Got it! Our shopper scurries over to get some whole grain frozen waffles. Between that and the crap that is a school lunch, well letís just say weíd better start building some more trade schools because those little brains are turning to mush.
Our day at work. I confess that when I last worked full time, I would occasionally get very hungry late in the afternoon (I didnít eat breakfast or lunch). If coffee didnít stop it, Iíd go to A&W and ask them for a large diet root beer float with the amount of ice cream they put in a small one. 185 calories of pure garbage. But thatís not what Iím reading on the forums of peopleís co-workers. Iím reading desks filled with candy, hundred-calorie packs of whatever (fine if youíre not primal, but never fine if you eat five or eight a day), noodles at lunch, muffins left in the snack area Ė itís constant grazing on horrifying stuff. Whereís the nutrition, people? Screw nutrition, whereís the damned taste? Eat too much if you will. But damn, if youíre going to get fat, own it, and at least do it on brie cheese, prosciutto, and a good crispy sourdough! Shit, that was snobby, wasnít it? Especially since Iím sure that after a grueling day of non-stop eating, most of those people go home and nourish themselves with a big ass salad.
Dinner/Supper. The most important meal of the day. Especially for those poor kids who at 6pm, have only had processed carbs and maybe some protein from some dubious source that was too shitty to give to the troops. Oh, and if theyíre really lucky, the school gave them a piece of fruit and hopefully it wasnít from a can filled with corn syrup Ė I can dream. What do you want for supper, kids? Spaghetti! Mommy/Daddy is tired, how about KFC? Yaaayyyy!
Rinse, lather, repeat. I donít know how it all went so wrong. My grandmother (who worked full time once my mother was in first grade) didnít feed us like that. Even my sheltered, child-bride mother didnít feed us like that. I wish I could pinpoint the moment in our culture when food stopped being about nutrition and taste and became a grinding chore or the blind buying of the pretty boxes on the super market shelves. Is it any wonder that some folks have such a hard time switching to primal?
Okay, on to serious stuff. [B]Bacon Cheeseburger Meatloaf[/B]. Iím telling you, that Paula Deen, with a little help, and a padlock on anything sweet, could almost be a cave woman. Not too many changes needed in this one. She uses some slices of bread as a sponge at the bottom of the baking dish to soak up the fat; personally I like my meatloaf swimming in a little fat. Ditch those. She uses two tablespoons of breadcrumbs in the meat itself. Swap out for some primally okay flour. And of course, she wouldnít be Paula Deen if she didnít put brown sugar in the ketchup/mustard topping. Ditch the brown sugar and make paleo ketchup, and Voila! a Bacon Cheeseburger Meatloaf anyone can eat. Because the rest of that recipe is meat, bacon, eggs, cheese, mayonnaise (we know how to make our own).
Oh, and that can of ďfrench fried onionsĒ she puts on top? [IMG]http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h187/ladytrue_99/yuck.gif[/IMG] Honest to god, Iím such a snobÖ
I can't say I disagree with anything in your post, but I'd use the term "informed consumer" in place of "food snob", although being a food snob is nothing for which one should apologize by any means. Hell, it will add years to one's life and a lack of (or at least a reduction in) the countless possible (probable?) diet related health issues during said years. Own it proudly!
Your scurrying shopper had me cracking up since you pretty much nailed him or her. (Maybe you should give your shopper a name and gender?) The other day I made a quick run to the grocery store and found the list of the shopper who'd had the cart before me. I saved it to send to a strict paleo friend/food snob. I walked the store and looked at the building full of shoppers to whom the list could have easily belonged. It made me sad more than anything, but it got me into the same type of mindset from which your paragraph floweth.... It ended up being a long trip, because then I started zeroing in on items that I could see added to the list I'd found. I'm sure I looked like a loon if there were cameras on me as I laughed at boxes on shelves and rolled my eyes and said things like "holy shit!" out loud after looking at labels of foods that are probably on the shelves of most of the people I know "in real life". The fact that my daughter spends a decent amount of time in a home stocked with those types of shelves was the inspiration behind my "mad face".
I have to confess to a couple of things, though. As a kid, I [B]LOVED[/B] Lucky Charms. My all-time favorite breakfast, though, was a good sized bowl of Cream of Wheat with a slice of buttered toast. At least Grandma used real butter, though - Mom "knew better" and was progressive enough to be all about the margarine on school days. Like pretty much everyone else, she was duped by good ole CW but, fortunately, has seen the light over the years. I've had to adopt a "don't ask, don't tell" policy for when she has my child for any period of time. I learned that the hard way.
I dig the one-pot-meal thing, too. What are some of your faves? Maybe there's a Bitchapalooza Recipe Thread in your future?
Another food snob here, I too have wondered what folks were eating pre-primal. For us it wasn't such a dramatic shift form the way we were eating, the 2 big changes were eliminating my home made wild yeast sourdough and super tasty home made granola made with honey from our bees. I probably spend an excessive amount of money and time on food but it's my passion and used to be my profession until we moved to the boonies and chefing just didn't pay what it did in the big city. Now my family is the recipient of my zealous cooking.
As to drinking I wish I could afford to spend the kind of money I spend on food on wine, alas my husband's salary just isn't that flexible. But that's okay because my palate is flexible when it comes to wine, I'd rather have inexpensive wine than no wine!
Thoroughly enjoyable post!
The bit about adapting Paula Deen, great stuff... and pretty unsnobby? But you live in Florida right? Could be that she is seen differently there... I'm in New Jersey, so I assume that Food Network has Barefoot Contessa for the snobs from these parts who see "fat hick" with Paula Deen. (one thing though... do you need coconut flour? If you need to bind just use egg yolks (or more fat), right?)
[QUOTE=JoanieL;1151014]My bitch isn’t even that shitty food exists. It’s a free country – grow it and sell it to anyone who’ll buy it. But, and it’s a big BUT, do it in the sunshine. Don’t shuck and jive me that your garbage is healthy or better than the cheap stuff at any other market. Don’t put up big web sites touting all the ingredients that aren’t allowed in the foods you carry, while hiding the fact that 80% of your products are or contain GMOs.
I find myself slightly emotionally shrinking when I read stuff or find out stuff about how truly deceitful business is in America. It just doesn’t have to be. It should be a trading of assets where both parties come away happy. I have a skill that I trade for a salary. I trade that salary for food, housing, entertainment, etc. Nothing sleazy about business in that sense. Sleazy comes in if I do my job badly and still expect you to pay me. It comes in if I buy a product that isn’t as advertised. Then it’s not business, it’s stealing.
You're not wrong on that. Except maybe about this being a free country. I came here after some years of studying Economics. Compare the two. The Gov't tells us what money we can use and requires us to use it. So they can steal it from us behind the scenes. And they've been doing it for so long we have forgotton what free money is or that it could even exist.
Now just substitute Monsanto for Gov't and food for money.
At least for food we still have some choices. I agree with the others that it would be best to support local paleo/primal growers and I think they can be trusted, especially when they went into the business for the same reasons we joined this forum. They just decided to go a little farther into it. In fact, if we don't support them, soon there will be no free food choices left in our country.
Where ever you live you can find a local 4-H and/or FFA fair, or state fair. At their auctions you bid on a $/lb live weight for the animal and select from a list of butchers. Then you phone that butcher and tell them how you want it cut. When you pick it up it's all frozen, wrapped and labeled. Take friends with you a split a cow, or buy a lamb. This is not as good as the EatWild.com, but it's second best.
I buy 'grass-fed' eggs from my neighbor, grass-fed beef (but I'm going to find a different source), raw milk from a grocery 45 min away. I'm looking into cheese and milk from a 1/2 hour away goat diary. It's fun to find these but it may take a lot of driving to get it. (I really love goat cheeses.)
But I'm way behind you on cooking that requires any effort.
Best of Luck.
[QUOTE=JoanieL;1152034]Okay. My name is JoanieL and I am a food snob. There you have it. While I try to be egalitarian in most things, I find that even before primal, I was a bit of a food snob. Primal has exacerbated it.
Oh yeah, I hear you Joanie.
I would say for myself I was not a food "snob" but I did try to eat "healthy" (not that it worked, since my definitions of healthy were off base). However, it did mean that changing to primal was in some ways just a tweak, in that I had to get rid of the grains and processed oils, there was not much else too disastrous.
But now, definitely a food snob. So many things I see people putting in their mouths and feeding their children that just disgust me. I should be careful to hide this reaction as it's really quite obnoxious. After all, I would not want someone thinking that way about me. That's why it's nice to come on here with people who actually understand.
And the further I'm going on with primal (coming up 10 months now), the more snobby I get - looking out for organics and free range etc, and preferring to eat my own food than to go out where there's no assurance that what I'm given will be wholesome, or even taste good.
Oh dear, I guess I am going to be the one to tell you what was eaten before becoming primal:o
Bread with some bread and then some more bread. In fact bread with every meal and as a snack in between. Then the bread was accompanied by potatoes.
If those potatoes were cut up and deep fried and then placed between two slices of bread well that was heaven on a stick.
No meal was complete without either bread or potatoes.
The processed food we ate was more like baked beans and spaghetti.
I am please to report now we have had a break up with bread, baked beans and spaghetti and our pantry is primal.