OK I see a lot of this going on on the forum recently.
I for one simply don't understand nutrition enough to comment in a scientific way. All I can see is the evidence that a low bad carb diet works for me. ( how do we define bad carbs?) The simple removal of sugar is probably the reason I lost weight, and the removal of grains deffo stops my bloating.
I have never measured what I eat as such and just eat veg as and when I want it. I honestrly feel I could eat huge amounts of veg with no weight gain, but I get full before this happens anyway.
Do what works for the individual and when you get to a place where your happy with your weight, experiment with things and see how it changes things or not. :)
But the point that unused carbs will be stored as fat is definite, [/QUOTE]
So will protein and fat, if in a surplus, more easily, so what's your point?
And when you are exercising and breaking down your muscle they need fat and protein to rebuild the muscle[/QUOTE]
fat doesn't build muscle, but sure, it's very important for your overall health
Carbs are optimal in that they will help you with your workout and well being, plus they are tasty imo and, depending on the carb source, they do have micronutrients; of course, some people will benefit from going low carb/keto, especially those with some type of metabolic problem or epilepsy, so there's no reason to shun away from them.
[QUOTE=Darz;1122984]So will protein and fat, if in a surplus, more easily, so what's your point?[/QUOTE]
I've been taught the only way for protein to be stored as fat was for it to be converted to carb first. If that's right surely that means protein is harder to store as fat than carb? Or at least less efficient.
Just to make the point, I'm not against carbs I eat plenty myself. I just believe that controlling your carb intake to your body needs is massively important in lowering or keeping body fat low. It certainly works for me.
@Richard Seekings: a good point. Ditch sugar
a poorly constructed sentence sorry; the "more easily" was for "fat"; conversion of protein to fat is rare - but there is a pathway. What might happen if there is an excess of protein intake in an excess in amino acid oxidation.
Excess fat can be stored as fat, therefore you need to eat more carbs, regardless of the present composition of your diet.
[QUOTE=eKatherine;1123057]Excess fat can be stored as fat, therefore you need to eat more carbs, regardless of the present composition of your diet.[/QUOTE]
Excess anything can be stored as fat, therefore don't exceed your maintenance if you don't want to get fat.
I eat potatoes and a lot of fruit. Why? I'm active and it makes me feel good. If I don't I feel like crap and don't have any energy. If VLC works for you and makes you feel good, do it. If you don't feel well, don't. Different things work for different people and there's no way one prescribed diet will work. For me a high protein, moderate carb and moderate/lower fat works best. It's all N=1 don't fear something because it affects people differently.
[QUOTE=krsn89;1121734]I consider myself "primal" to an extent but I have recently started incorporating more carbs a la "Perfect Health Diet" after being VLC/keto for so long. I eat maybe a cup (cooked) of white rice a day, and white potatoes a couple of times a week, sometimes less. Sweet potatoes more infrequently but I do eat those too. Rice doesn't affect me like some other foods do and it definitely helped with some issues I was having being VLC/keto.
If you're looking for some info about incorporating some starches into your diet, check out Dr. Paul Jaminet's site [url=http://perfecthealthdiet.com/the-diet/]The Diet | Perfect Health Diet[/url].
I think in this case it's really about what your body can handle. I just feel better on a more moderate carb approach.[/QUOTE]
I agree, just read the Perfect Health Diet. Absolutely one of the best books on nutrition. The author's analysis of ancestral diets suggest a generalized macro nutrient ratio of 30% carbohydrates, 15% protein and 55% fat is optimum for health. They stress that its important to eat what they call safe starches - tubar vegetables including potatoes and white rice (not brown rice which contains phytates).
While I was still wanting to lose weight I eliminated all potato and rice, only having a tiny bit of sweet potato on occasion. Since surpassing my goal I have put some rice and potato back in my diet in moderation. I still make an effort to keep the nutrient value very high.
[quote]Excess fat can be stored as fat, therefore you need to eat more carbs, regardless of the present composition of your diet. [/quote]
[QUOTE=Darz;1123061]Excess anything can be stored as fat, therefore don't exceed your maintenance if you don't want to get fat.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for picking up on my ambiguity so I could clarify. What I meant to express was "Excess fat can be stored as fat, therefore you need to eat a higher proportion of your diet as carbs and less as fat." I've gotten that advice a lot of times from posters in this forum who really have no idea what I eat.