[QUOTE=Warmbear;1099118]I am at this moment making a pot full of horse meat stew. I got 10 lbs fresh from the butcher and it is much more flavourful than beef and at 3$/lb I cant complain. it makes wonderful steaks too.[/QUOTE]
Guess where all the horses that aren't allowed to be sold in American now get shipped... :rolleyes:
[QUOTE=s-piper;1098771]I'm not romanticizing anything. Of course in times of scarcity any animals around were demoted from 'pets' to 'dinner.' Famine means suddenly not at all picky. There's numerous instances of people eating corpses in times of starvation!
However, dogs became widespread pets in almost every culture even the same Asian ones where they're also eaten. That's proof alone that not only most of the time there was plenty of food for humans without eating dog, but that they actually found reason to feed them! [/quote]
[FONT=Book Antiqua][SIZE=3]actually, dog ownership in china is relatively new. for hundreds of years most chinese were simply too poor and under mao it was strictly forbidden. yes, the elite owned palace dogs, but it was not common for anybody else until the 90's. over 100 restaurants in beijing still serve dog meat. [url=http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China_Business/HA31Cb05.html]Asia Times Online :: China News, China Business News, Taiwan and Hong Kong News and Business.[/url]
i have owned dogs all my life and do agree that they evolved with more of an advantageous symbiosis rather than just being fringe of the fire pests. however, i don't think it was until very recently they were seen as anything more than work animals. yes, they were fed and cared for, but only because that was preserving an investment. they were trained, so time and effort had been expended. they weren't coddled balls of fluff riding around in somebody's purse.
nowhere am i saying ancient man was stupid, jeebus, but the whole concept of "love" for pets is very modern.
I'm in the UK, and it's our top supermarkets that have sold lasagne and beef burgers which contain, in some cases, 100% horse-meat from Romania.
It IS about outright phony labeling and it IS about not declaring Country of Origin. We are very sensitive to this issue because in the 1990s we had a major beef scare which was infected with CJD and a handful of people died from infected beef. Since then, we understood we could trust the system because everything HAS to be crystal clear.
Romania and Bulgaria are due to join the EU this year, and we are sensitive about that too and what that will do to the British flailing economy. The Food Standards in poorer European countries are often not up to the legal Import Requirements due to lack of funding and mandatory Quality Control, and this is not looking good at all to protect the British consumer who pays the bill. So again another food scandal to deal with, and more government ministers running around like headless chickens not knowing what to do.
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If you have a problem with eating horse, yet you eat other animals, you're a hypocrite. Eating a horse is no different to eating a pig, cow, lamb or chicken. All of them are intelligent animals (pigs are comparable to dogs) that we're eating to feed our gluttony.
My problem with this horse meat in beef burgers is simple. You are paying for beef, you are not paying for beef to be substituted with horse meat, so the producers can make higher profits.
[QUOTE=seaweed;1098832]lol we would be starving rather than eat our fido or our horse around here. or the cat for that matter. i have no qualms about someone else eating horses or dogs that dont belong to me. it is kinda unnatural to eat a dog. [/QUOTE]
If you actually ever were starving, you would probably change your mind. Just saying. Real hunger is a powerful motivator. Especially if it's either you or them; as in, if you don't eat them you will die. But I guess we can be thankful we live in a wealthy enough world we probably will never be in that situation.
[QUOTE=cori93437;1098858]What happened to the American horse sale market was that the sale of horses for meat was banned outright because of ignorant soft hearted do-gooders... that means for butcher for animal feed and glue.
It has never been legal to sell horse for human consumption here unfortunately(though there is a black market for it).
What that ban caused was people no longer able to care for horses to not even be able to sell their horses at all... horses were often abandoned to starve. Believe me... by the hundreds. The fact remained that horses have been over bred in this country for years, that older horses, horses of lower value and quality, and horses that people buy ignorant of care needs have gone to sales barns and to the pet food market in droves while no one particularly noticed, nor cared... except for a few "but they are pets, you can't do that" people who wanted it stopped, but had no plan for what to do with every, old, crippled, and just plain unwanted horse born every day.
The ban on horses for meat sales was an utter failure.
And honestly, why can't we eat them. It's good lean read meat. And it tastes really nice.
Saying it should only go to the pet market is a waste.
It's like telling me I shouldn't eat rabbits because those are cute and some people think they make nice pets.
Totally agree. A horse is an animal no different than any other; but there is simply a strong social taboo against eating pets in the US (horses, dogs, cats), and in the case of horses it does more harm than good. And not eating one animal but eating another is basically insulting the one you are eating.
On topic, of course the mislabeling is a huge problem and I'm surprised it got that far in the EU which seems to have much stricter standards about food than the US.
[QUOTE=Andtckrtoo;1099107] I'd rather go veg then eat a friend.
I am thinking that you are talking friend here as in animal friend - but it does raise the question about human flesh. I read about the football team that crashed in the Andies - years ago - and it made me think - what would I do ????????
sorry to digress........
[QUOTE]If you actually ever were starving, you would probably change your mind. Just saying. Real hunger is a powerful motivator.[/QUOTE] where i live i am surrounded by waterfowl, shellfish, fish and sheep. the dog aint going till we run out of them and the neighbours we dont like.
[QUOTE] A horse is an animal no different than any other;[/QUOTE] actual that is also not true. the arab horse is the oldest man bred animal on the planet. or so i believe. horses are almost spookily onto it. they know what you are thinking and they can spot someone with issues a mile off. as i stated before, i dont have an issue with someone eating horse as it is a solution to a problem and it isnt going to waste. i would not stand in judgement if someone ate their old horse. however, no one is gonna eat our horse.
[QUOTE=seaweed;1099825]where i live i am surrounded by waterfowl, shellfish, fish and sheep. the dog aint going till we run out of them and the neighbours we dont like.
actual that is also not true. the arab horse is the oldest man bred animal on the planet. or so i believe. horses are almost spookily onto it. they know what you are thinking and they can spot someone with issues a mile off. as i stated before, i dont have an issue with someone eating horse as it is a solution to a problem and it isnt going to waste. i would not stand in judgement if someone ate their old horse. however, no one is gonna eat our horse.[/QUOTE]
I'm not going to eat MY dog either... because we have a personal relationship with a different set of expectations. All my dog is ever required to do is love me. Farm animals, including our horses, were always required to do more than that. Some people don't make that distinction.
In Castaway even inanimate Wilson provided comfort.
But in extreme circumstances my neighbor's dogs, or strays, or the neighborhood cats (probably first on my list, though I'm allergic to their fur so I wonder about that), are a completely different story... you know.
I just have a problem with people looking at all animals everywhere as pets only because they have an animal of that type as a pet.
That is very strange to me.
I guess my farm upbringing just taught me a more practical view of the world.
This goat is not that goat. And even though this goat was a great cute kid, and fun to play with, it's a boy, and not breed worthy, so it should be castrated, and later... since he isn't serviceable(not a pack goat or pet) eaten. Or, this goat lived a long productive and good life with us, and now it's no longer productive... she was a pet and a farm producer... now dinner.
Same with rabbits.
Same should be true of horses.
Now... the mislabeling is a joke and should never happen.
Sell it honestly for what it is.
I believe that as the main run of people get further and further separated from their source of food, the less they understand that while some animals make lovely pets, animals that are raised for food can/should be treated kindly, live happy lives, and then can be humanely escorted to the freezer.
Part of the disconnect is visible in how few people really know how or why offal is part of healthy eating. The less they can identify a piece of "food" as a specific animal "body part", the more comfortable they feel. Offal is pretty specific.
I'm all over the whole truth in labeling/sourcing, btw. Part of not eating "mystery meat" is knowing who, how, and where that distinct piece of food comes from.
You really don't want to eat horse meat from the US. They slaughter a lot of racehorses and well.... racehorses get a lot of drugs. Other horses that end up at the slaughterhouse may or may not have received many types of drugs. It's a crap shoot, but probably any horse that ever competed and ends up at the end of the line has had drugs within the last few months. Bute, steroid injections, all sorts of crap. Mares get hormone injections. And a lot of people puts god only knows what in their horses- there is a whole lot of money to be made for drugs that don't test.