[QUOTE=Ddraig Goch;1099627]Has anyone manged to find the followup post to this? - I'm sure its just my lack of forum experience but this link just poses a question, not the answer
God, I wish I could afford a ketone blood monitor - it would make all of this much easier[/QUOTE]
No. It was so frustrating to be unable to see his results after reading the comments section.
[QUOTE=Ddraig Goch;1099623]Just a note of caution for anyone doing the fat fast.I did it for 3 days last week (90% fat 1000cals) combining it with 16hr IF & when i weighed today I have lost a grand total of 3lb for the week BUT [B]1.8lb of that was LBM[/B] probably due to the low protein.
Since Saturday I have been trying to bring my cals back up to 1350 & protein 60g but I have to admit I am struggling to reach the numbers (especially the protein). From my experience it was a great way to realign my approach to food (carbs really are unnecessary & I I have completely gone off all plant based food, I have not been really hungry since I finished it & am eating because I know I need to rather than because I want to) but I was not expecting to lose nearly twice as much lean mass than body fat.
Just something for you to think about[/QUOTE]
I think that you are right. The minimum amount of protein necessary for an adult is weight times .36. If I figure that with my goal weight, that is 60g. On the FF one only gets about 15g. Makes me wonder if a FF with 60 g protein, minimal carbs and a lower percentage of fat might be healthier. BUT, then it is not a Fat Fast. Is it?
I have no idea how I would keep my protein to 60g and under, but not eat dairy
[QUOTE=Gladmorning;1099629]I would assume the loss of body fat vs LBM is related to how much fat one really needs to lose? Am I completely off base?[/QUOTE]
I have 36lb to lose to get to my apparent HSIS weight but I suspect that will still be too high & expect my final weight to be around 4lb lower. To be honest, for the final result I am more interested in BF% than scale weight.
[QUOTE=Gladmorning;1099642]I have no idea how I would keep my protein to 60g and under, but not eat dairy[/QUOTE]
I can do this almost daily and still eat dairy. I just don't get hungry eating this way so for me it works. I average around 52-65g protein.
[QUOTE=geostump;1099673]I can do this almost daily and still eat dairy. I just don't get hungry eating this way so for me it works. I average around 52-65g protein.[/QUOTE]
How has your weight loss been with your protein lower? (if you don't mind sharing):D
[QUOTE=Pebbles67;1099637]I think that you are right. The minimum amount of protein necessary for an adult is weight times .36. If I figure that with my goal weight, that is 60g. On the FF one only gets about 15g. Makes me wonder if a FF with 60 g protein, minimal carbs and a lower percentage of fat might be healthier. BUT, then it is not a Fat Fast. Is it?[/QUOTE]
It depends hat you mean by a fat fast. If you Ignore the low calorie part & just look at upping your fat to 90% (Ie you assume the term to mean[I] taking nearly all of your calories from fat) [/I]then the following works:
If you assume Pg =60 = 10% of cals, Cg =6 = 1% of cals (carbs taken from eggs & nuts only) that leaves 89% for fat
This would give you 238g fat with a total of 2400 cals which I think is round about your BMR + activity
Of course you may not want to give up plant matter.
For me the numbers would be 50g protein 5g carb & 198g fat giving my a ratio of 10-1-89 & 2000 cals which I think is a bit high for me as my BMR is only 1372 without activity.
If I stick with the same Protein & carb levels & drop the fat down to 127g I get a ratio of 14.5-1.5-84 & 1370 cals. So for me I will do this (am not very active at present) & see what happens at the end of the week.
PS: Phinney states in his [I]Art & Science of Low Carb Performance [/I]that 0.6 x current LBM is the lowest you should go (which for me is 62g). Everyone has their own ideas I guess. This is why it makes it all so confusing & why we have to keep experimenting.
The problem for me with any equation that says to figure protein by multiplying any number by [B][B]current or any[/B][/B] LBM, is the difficulty in getting an accurate measure of LBM. Unless you want to invest in a Dexa-scan.
[QUOTE=adavison;1099681]How has your weight loss been with your protein lower? (if you don't mind sharing):D[/QUOTE]
Yes. The closer I get it to 70g, the more difficult it becomes for me to lose weight. I can tell I've gained something back due to my pants fitting tighter in the gut than they have in awhile. I did tend to have a protein blowout over the weekend so that could be a part of it. Plus, I think the Russian Circus may be making its arrival soon. Between the two, I have noticed some gain. The easiest way for me to not hit the higher end of the protein scale is to not eat it at breakfast and to try to have as little protein as possible with breakfast.
I do best if I split my protein evenly, right now I am shooting for less than 23g per meal.