[QUOTE=Earthy Mama;1033121]I just cried a bit.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Earthy Mama;1033121]I just cried a bit.[/QUOTE]
I'm a qualified nurse and I've always had a keen interest in nutrition - it's almost a hobby. But I've had times when I was unfit and overweight. Just because you have the knowledge does't mean that you have the self control to use it.
We are taught CW, and we are expected to educate our clients in CW. But we do talk about it in-house and I have heard many non-CW things being discussed in clinical settings between medical professionals. A dietician I used to work with often talked to me about the benefits of good quality fats, and this was long before I ever learned about primal. For the most part it all CW though and we all know that CW does't work.
[QUOTE=ryanmercer;1033301]I have 2 friends that are nurses... one is about 5'5 300+lbs, the other is about 50lbs lighter and 3 inches shorter... they are forever telling me how I should eat... kinda like when "Doctor" Phil wrote a book on how to lose weight, when he was pretty overweight himself. *eyeroll*[/QUOTE]
I keep having this vision, that you should pull up your shirt and show them your 6 pack abs, and say "Where are your abs?"
Assuming, of course, you had a 6 pack, but yea. It's incredibly hard to lose weight while still having the addiction to and surrounded by the typical SAD foods. And both CW and Paleo people can be very strong willed about their diet choices.
Health professionals are just people, despite any training. They live with the same stresses, both physical and mental, social and financial, spiritual and psychological, as the rest of society. None of us can presume to know their lives, their histories or their situations. And who knows - maybe that overweight nurse you were trashing has already lost 50 lbs and made the effort to walk to work today, even at 5 a.m. in the dark.
And there are lots of overweight people on this forum - just read the signature lines. The overwhelming sense of superiority that I hear in some of these posts is rather noxious. Have a little compassion folks!
For the record, I'm a Registered Dietitian, trained in the 80's in the height of the big CW move to low fat. That's not my fault. I've struggled with an excess 20 lbs for most of my adult life, but my BMI is within the healthy range, my labs are excellent, and I have made myself do and enjoy physical activity (that didn't come naturally). I "get" primal and wish I could make the rest of the world see it's benefits and find a way to "make" everyone change over. But I can't. I do what I can, encouraging healthy fats instead of low fat, steering people away from processed s**t foods, encouraging local buying. And talking more indepth when I find a receptive person.
My biggest observation about the unhealthiness of health care providers is the number of smokers in the ranks of nurses, personal support workers, dietary staff, etc. I can't get over how many of them head outside on every break to pollute their lungs in the "fresh air".
^^Exactly. I eat primal and I wouldn't stop any heads as I walk down the street. Nobody would look at me and say, wow, what's your secret? I've got no abs and plenty of cellulite on my thighs. I'm lifting heavy weights and am sore and hungry almost all the time.
I think we also greatly underestimate the stress that some health professionals are under, particularly in hospital settings. The demands of shift work are terrible for one's health and weight, and a lot of them also pick up smoking as a response to that. Additionally, they exist in the same toxic food environment as everyone else and may often rely on eating the terrible food served in many hospital cafeterias because that's what's available, and when people are tired, they are likely to choose the grilled cheese and onion rings over the salads.
Also, orthopedic surgery specialists are likely not spending a lot of time reading research literature on nutrition. Medicine is a huge field, and people tend to get really, really knowledgeable in their area but may know very little about another because as people become specialized, their depth of knowledge exceeds their breadth of knowledge by quite a bit.
And yeah, on the self-righteousness thing: lots of people who are doing primal are still fat. Some people (shock!) even manage to get fatter on a primal diet. And you really don't know if that nurse didn't already lose 50 pounds, or if she's tried tons of diets and not succeeded, or whatever.
It's really easy to judge other people, but you don't know what's going on in their lives.
[QUOTE=sbhikes;1033559]^^Exactly. I eat primal and I wouldn't stop any heads as I walk down the street. Nobody would look at me and say, wow, what's your secret? I've got no abs and plenty of cellulite on my thighs. I'm lifting heavy weights and am sore and hungry almost all the time.[/QUOTE]
Sorry you're hungry most of the time. I have loved that primal meant I am NOT usually hungry. I just now had leftover duck (with skin and fat) as a snack or second lunch. I skipped breakfast today and even though I had an egg/mushroom omlette just 3 hours ago, I was starving. So I ate. I have found I lose the most weight when I get serious about carbs and staying low on them. Am I perfect? Heck no. I refuse to be hungry though unless I am fasting, then I find a way to distract myself and it goes away.
On the note of healthcare professionals, I see why some might be upset and have a personal note to add to this. I am a full time Pilates instructor (mat and equipment). I was 11 lbs (looked like much more) heavier just 3 months ago before Primal. I was still as fantastic at my job as I am now. I just happen to now look the part much more. I am not yet to my final goal, but I can see some abs now, they really were buried under the layer of fat! I won't discount professionals based on their appearance, I was once one of them.
Health professionals are part of the medical industrial complex. They are not actually interested in real health, generally. We shouldn't criticize them for this. Everyone has to make a living.
About a decade ago a morbidly obese RN in college actually had the nerve to tell me (mildly overweight at 160 lbs) that I should lose some weight. As he huffed and puffed about it, he actually had a stack of 5 donuts on his desk behind him, each with a piece bitten off. It was like a scene from a comedy movie.
OK, good points about not judging. I don't judge people on the street because yeah, I don't know their lives. But here's my deal -
I wouldn't take my car to a mechanic who couldn't keep his car running. Wouldn't take financial advice from someone who's gone bankrupt over and over again (and I've had it offered from just such a person), a plumber with a flooded basement, etc., etc. I really don't give a rat's ass what people eat, wear, listen to, sleep with or how much they weigh. I just find it sad and ironic that so many nurses, doctors and nutritionists are such pathetic examples.
And re: the "giant nurse". She [I]hasn't[/I] recently lost 50 lbs., she's getting bigger by the year. This was the local clinic and she lives here and I've heard 'nutritional advice' from her in the past, for instance, I can't be healthy if I don't eat a 'hearty' breakfast. This time I wasn't going to keep my mouth shut but thankfully, it didn't come up.