I normally eat ~ 1500-1700 a day, and overfeed 1 day a week (>2500 cals). Last weekend I overfed & then we had guests next day so I did 2 days in a row, hence my low cal day.
The pictures you are looking at were when I was good 8 lbs lighter than I am now. This morning I was 126 lbs. Unfortunately I got sick this summer when travelling, which flushed everything including liquids for good 5-6 days from my body, and then everything went hay-wire, and I gained a lot of weight. I am stabilizing now & will either be able to drop back to my normal range of ~ 120 lbs, or settle in this weight with muscle mass increase and gut decrease (I would love that). But even at this high weight & 1700 cals a day, I can't fast. It could be that I really need to graze. Maybe it's because I lift. Maybe I am just made this way & need a steady supply of protein to keep blood sugar steady. Minimizing supper though works really well for my schedule. I also started drinking lemon juice to keep blood sugar from swinging.
The gaining muscle protocol is setting my calories for ~ 2200 cals a day, every day even for recovery days. I dunno if my body can grow at that rate. I think it is more appropriate for skinny male teens. I am gonna try that AFTER I go on a beach vacation in January, LOL. That would give me a week off training & calories counts, then I can hit it with high calories and high reps to failure sets and see if I can grow muscle.
I just want to mention that even though fasting wasn't terribly difficult for me, once I stopped stressing my body through fasting, I've gotten adequate sleep, I am bloated less often, and I have more energy at the gym. Just a thought. My calories are currently averaging about 2500/day compared to the 3000 cal summer days, where I walked a LOT. And I've lost my cravings for nuts. Although this could just be a weather issue...
^ similar findings for me. I IF'd chronically but not deliberately for about a week when I took a staycation. I had previously been IFing thro' eating twice a day at weekends, out of convenience as much as anything.
This raised my cortisol levels and lowered my BMR.
After a few months of only IF'ing once every weekend or two the drop in BMR and elevation of cortisol have been reversed.
I see plenty of evidence that IF is best done in moderation in muscular women of child-bearing age. Personally speaking, it's only value is convenience when I'm out and about and eating primally is too difficult or incurs unnecessary expense.
I just don't like IFing on any set schedule or protocol. I have tried the Warrior Diet, the 16/8, the Fast 5, etc. But anything that has me watching a clock to see what time I'm "allowed" to eat, seems to lead to overcompensating with bigger portions when I am "allowed".
What works best for me is just spontaneously skipping meals here and there as the mood strikes me. Like when I look in the fridge and I just feel "meh" about eating or when I am out and there are no good primal options.
I usually end up eating one main meal (dinner) plus a small snack sometime in the late morning to midday. If I am planning on something like a long hike, I eat a big breakfast and then don't need to pack trail food.
The healthiest version of this I've been able to come up with so far is dieting every other day. One day I eat about as much as I want/need, the next I restrict to about 500 calories. Ridiculously easy to do and works.
When you IF, do you drink coffee, tea, or broth?
I'm working towards increasing the length of time from dinner to breakfast the next day. We eat dinner around 6-7pm, and breakfast around 8-9am. If I eat a bigger dinner, I can wait until 12pm the next day to eat. But I still get a bit hungry around 9-10am... although when that passes, I'm fine.
Even before I was trying this primal eating business, I was doing some IF. I usually allowed myself coconut oil in coffee while fasting, which I still enjoy. This thread has inspired me to see if I might benefit from more regular IF-ing. Thanks!!
Still, I wouldn't worry about it either way. It's ok if you can't do it, so don't worry about it.
I would say that's another angle on my normal method. I discovered that my process seems to be adapting to eating i the 8 hr window, then on alternating or every 3rd day having a calorie deficit. There's definite science behind that method, too.
I just do water and tea.
i'm no clock watcher, but it's been interesting because i find that I tend to eat between 11-2 (first "big" meal), then a snack around 4, and then a meal around 7, but sometimes I skip that one, which is interesting.
Yeah, i'm mostly observing what feels like a natural pattern.
[QUOTE=fiercehunter;1018922]The healthiest version of this I've been able to come up with so far is dieting every other day. One day I eat about as much as I want/need, the next I restrict to about 500 calories. Ridiculously easy to do and works.[/QUOTE]
Sounds like what I once read about called the Johnson up day, down day method. Feast, starve, feast, etc. I think any combination that creates a deficit or balance (or surplus, if your goal) over several days/weeks is effective.
[QUOTE=zoebird;1018988]i'm no clock watcher, but it's been interesting because i find that I tend to eat between 11-2 (first "big" meal), then a snack around 4, and then a meal around 7, but sometimes I skip that one, which is interesting. [/QUOTE]
When I am going for more than 24, or like the challenges, all I do is watch the clock and want it to be over! haha. But when I am on my own just going with the flow, not so much.
I just go so back and forth. I think when this thread started, I wasnt IF much anymore, and this after months and months of IFing with 24s and some 36-48 mostly weekly. But then this week, I have been more Fast 5 again - More like a Fast 7 or 8 - just doesnt sound as kewl as Fast-5 :p So I just dont have a set pattern.
I do want to try to go for a longer fast like for autophagy purposes now and then, but when I do that I will have to do those specifically & mindfully as that will not just happen. :P So when I do that, I will use broths and kraut to help get me through. But on a normal day, I am just not hungry first thing, but I do have a little coffee w/cream and then switch to green teas. I think partly also, my day starts anywhere from 4 - 6:30am. And I try to wait until after 7 to weigh, and I dont like to eat before I weigh, though I do have coffee. And then things start to get crazy and then before I know it, many hours have passed. So maybe that is another pro to being a daily weigh-er :P Automatic increased IFing :cool:
I was also reading over on this blog [URL="http://www.gnolls.org/2181/the-breakfast-myth-part-2-the-art-and-science-of-not-eating-breakfast/"]The Breakfast Myth, Part 2: The Art and Science Of Not Eating Breakfast - GNOLLS.ORG[/URL] and I tried to make myself a little "saying" in jpg so I could put in on my desktop, but not smart enough (or patient enough to figure it out) but I re-read this part again, [QUOTE][B]Our Bodies Already Feed Us In The Morning[/B]
[I]Fasting is a high-fat meal…of your own adipose tissue.[/I][FONT=Helvetica Neue][COLOR=#000000] Remember, every diet is a high-fat diet, because if you’re losing weight, you’re burning your own fat. And fat-burning is most intense in the morning, because we haven’t eaten all night. So when we wake up, we’re already eating a steady diet…of fat.[/COLOR][/FONT][/QUOTE]
[FONT=Helvetica Neue][COLOR=#000000][FONT=arial]So this week I have also been trying to remind myself when I start to get hungry, that I can just eat my own fat for a little bit longer. Nom Nom Nom [/FONT]:cool:
I also found his last paragraph particularly interesting:
[QUOTE][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Helvetica Neue]I’ll close this article with an interesting observation: men are far more likely to skip breakfast entirely, whereas women are most likely to eat a normal or late breakfast. I’ll resist the urge to engage in half-baked evolutionary speculation—but it’s a robust trend, at least among my commenters[/QUOTE].[/FONT][/COLOR]
[FONT=Helvetica Neue][COLOR=#000000][FONT=arial]And now for even more babble: Which brings me to one of the questions that I just don't understand, and hate to ask for fear of sounding like the ignoramus that I am, everybody else here is so smart... anyways, I just don't understand how the two schools of thought on breakfast can be so different. Those that say yes eat breakfast, it jump starts your metabolism, and those that encourage you to wait. Also closely followed by those that say eat every few hours to keep your metabolism stoked, and those that say one or two big meals, try not to snack.
I find that when I open my window, I like something about every 3 hours, even if only an apple or banana or tator. Maybe I am not eating big enough meals? Maybe I dont wait long enough in between? Maybe it is just mental because I am over thinking things at this point, or always thinking about things might be more accurate?[/FONT]
[FONT=arial]There are many other things I dont understand but not really pertinent to this thread[/FONT] :)[/COLOR][/FONT]