Ray Cronise is the GOOD guy, "Tatertot"...
That's a really nasty distortion, "Tatertot", and your minimization of Cronise's work is unfair (and if you've read Cronise's posts, you know it.) Otzi found Cronise's work on Cronise's private forum, then came here and presented the work as his own and positioned himself as some kind of 'guru'. Was it for ego, to play the star? Or was Otzi's plan to monetize shortly? Is Otzi the guy behind the "potato fast" site that sprang up to chisel a couple of bucks out of Cronise's work? Who knows?
All I know is that Otzi was pretty crummy to take credit for Cronise's work, which is why Otzi has rewritten his posts on the forum to remove the parts where he played Moses with the tablets. Covering tracks is not what people do unless they're ashamed.
Anyway, Ray Cronise is the real deal (a major portion of Tim Ferriss' [B]4 Hour Body[/B] book is dedicated to exploring Cronise's discoveries) and he is doing amazing, even unprecedented things for people who need to lose weight. Here is Cronise's TED talk on cold therapy for weight loss acceleration:
...I have to believe that Cronise's new work will be even better.
(By the way, "tatertot", Cronise is the guy that Kruse got the cold thermogenesis stuff from.)
Anyone who wants to know about what Ray's working on [B]from the horse's mouth[/B] and not watered-down by fakes should join Cronise's private forum (it is FREE). He says that what he's working on is much more effective than just the potato thing. And seeing his recent work in weight loss (on top of his NASA career) I don't doubt him.
As for Otzi...
[QUOTE=tatertot;997317]Hey, guys; I don't get on here much, but it looks like this thread took a strange turn. From what I can piece together, Otzi, the OP, was a member of [url=http://www.hypothermics.com]Thermogenex - Fuel the Burn[/url] and posted some stuff on here that he 'borrowed' from that site. The owner of [url=http://www.hypothermics.com]Thermogenex - Fuel the Burn[/url] took issue with the cross-sharing of info and put in a cease-and-desist order against Otzi from talking about, of all things, potatoes. How bizarre.
Well, I went and read what Ray Cronise wrote about potatoes, and I couldn't see anything propietary about this knowledge. In fact, I would say Ray Cronise 'borrowed' most of his stuff from Steven Guyenet, Dr. McDougall, and Peter at Hyperlipid. There was absolutely nothing at [url=http://www.hypothermics.com]Thermogenex - Fuel the Burn[/url] about an official 'potato diet', just about 50 comments on a blog about gut health wherein Ray Cronise recommended people eat potatoes for weight loss. When people ask about it, he gets very dismissive saying 'everyone has it wrong' and 'nobody but him knows how metabolisms really work'. He then promises more data is coming soon and he will soon reveal the truth behind weightloss. Sounds kinda 'Wizard of Oz' to me. Wasn't there another guy that did this kinda stuff recently? Jack Kruse, anybody?
Anyway, I just want to tell you all that no matter how this gets spun, a diet of all potatoes seems to be the height of fat loss. I did it for 14 days and lost 10lbs, nearly 3 weeks later, I'm down 12lbs from where I started. I was weight stable for almost 2 years prior to 1 October, my extra weight was firmly entrenched around my midsection and I could not get it to budge. 2 weeks of potatoes and I'm down 2" of abdominal circumference and it has stayed off, despite returning to my pre-potato eating levels.
I think anyone considering giving this a try should do it immediately. Stick to as plain of potatoes as possible, no fancy cooking methods, baked or boiled, in my opinion is perfect. Boiled and chilled even better. Don't count calories, don't intentionally try to eat at your old levels, just eat til full.
I've been working with 9 people who are doing the potato diet and all of them are losing about 1/2 pound a day or more. I think it is a shame that Otzi was stifled, and I don't really understand what's going on, but we need to keep spreading the word on this diet tip. Cheap, easy, almost fool-proof, and it really works!
I may start a new thread later this week where we can put some of the discussion back in and leave Otzi and Ray Cronise to their own little world at [url=http://www.hypothermics.com]Thermogenex - Fuel the Burn[/url][/QUOTE]