Exactly. While some things may be petty to the initiated, don't miss this opportunity to teach people things beyond their right to drink whatever and however much they want. This isn't about soda. It might be to some people who are just awakening to tyranny, but this debate doesn't begin or end with Big Gulps. If you overwhelm people that are concerned about things like soda, the chances of them tuning it out are much greater. I encourage all efforts to shed light on tyranny, even if it's something as simple as a carbonated beverage. Liberties are rarely lost all at once; they're slowly chipped away, one ounce of soda at a time.
[QUOTE=DamienMaddox;953265]Instead of complaining that people are making a fuss over this when we have bigger fish to fry, chime in and say "yeah, and you know what else? This time last year police weren't even allowed to stop and frisk you, and police are allowed to legally lie to you, and you don't actually have to let a police officer search your car or house, you can tell them you don't consent to it".[/QUOTE]
Only to be told it's the wrong forum for that.
I'm sorry I'm not buying the slippery slopes and teachable moments. It's soda pop. I don't have a problem with regulating it, just as I'd have no problem if they outlawed corn syrup. I'm going to stick the real abuses.
[QUOTE=Rojo;953300]I'm sorry I'm not buying the slippery slopes and teachable moments.[/QUOTE]
We're not talking about converting the masses in droves, I'm talking about reaching at least one person. If you accomplish that, its worth it.
You should value your freedom more than you do though. It may just be soda pop, but we're all adults now. We don't need someone telling us what we should and shouldn't eat.
You're going to have a hard time finding someone who's actually unaware that their unhealthy habits are unhealthy.
[QUOTE=MissJecka;952029][url=http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/13/health/new-york-soda-ban/index.html]New York health board approves ban on large sodas - CNN.com[/url]
A step in the right direction, yes?[/QUOTE]
taking our liberty in any form is not a step in the right direction. he might outlaw bacon next
I'm sure this is really going to help health issues, when people will just buy two smaller units of soda, instead of large one. Thank God the government is here to tell us what we can put in our mouths!
[QUOTE=j3nn;953029]Yeah. I hear a lot of you Europeans fall hook, line, and sinker for the whole "government takes perfect care of us" bit. It's likely all you've ever known since birth. You were born into benevolent slavery and you do not even realize it. This welfare state that you speak of is not free. Well, in a sense it is. When all of our money is created out of thin air, sure, free shit for everyone, until the day of reckoning comes and the world realizes that this Monopoly money isn't backed by a single cent of value. Anyway, I digress.
How it's paid for or not paid for aside, have some dignity, dude. I would rather have absolute freedom to fail or thrive and not receive a drop from the State ([I]that has no actual money of its own; it TAKES from others at gunpoint to redistribute wealth to the chosen few, mainly corporations[/I]). You have been lied to. [B]We do not have free markets in the US[/B]. There's no such thing, never has been. We have a hybrid system of socialism and fascism. If free markets truly existed, we would not have these bubbles. I don't know where you get your sources of information, but I suggest getting new ones because it sounds like you have been misinformed.
And while the State throws a few scraps back to the people it takes from, just remember:
Yes. God save the system! It's so righteous.[/QUOTE]
Despite Europe having its share of problems, our style of government has allowed for some of the lowest rates of obesity, poverty, reoffending and crime, and the highest rates of literacy, intelligence, height and happiness in the developed world. I don't like big government, but it worked. Meanwhile 'murica is a country defined by the stark contrast between super rich and super poor and a healthcare system that costs billions, yet is totally inferior to systems like Frances. You have the highest prison population in terms of absolute and relative terms. So what exactly are you bashing again?
Good intentions(reducing consumption of sugary beverages), but the wrong way to approach it.
Yeah right, great news! NOT!
You want the people behind the food pyramid using the force of law to control the types of food you can buy? Get ready to kiss your bacon and coconut oil goodbye.
[QUOTE=AMonkey;954438]yet is totally inferior to systems like Frances.[/QUOTE]
depends on what metric you're using
most of the articles that compare healthcare systems place a heavy weight on the degree to which healthcare is socialized.
I make enough to pay for coverage so I don't give a shit about that.
[QUOTE=AMonkey;954432]I'm sure this is really going to help health issues, when people will just buy two smaller units of soda, instead of large one.[/QUOTE]
They could but probably won't. It will cost more, so it's a stealth tax. Plus people have a zombie-like propensity to go with a default choice.