[QUOTE=Uncephalized;944507]Maybe your angry bravado shelters a secret fear of male power, which itself is a wall built to stay invaders from your secret garden of femininity, Saoirse. Did you ever think of THAT?![/QUOTE]
oh.my.gawd. you have hit the nail on the head.
[QUOTE=wiltondeportes;944364]I'm making a theory, a prediction, a speculation. I can't prove I am right, but you can't prove I am wrong either. I was just hoping to have an intuitive conversation without someone busting in and demanding facts.[/QUOTE]
Well fair enough ;). I guess I'm just arguing because I'm on the other side :p. I generally prefer clean shaven men, and I am inclined to think it's fashion - or more, what we're exposed to seeing mostly - which has an impact on the way we perceive attractiveness to a certain extent (not sure that I can explain it better).
I have seen men who look better with beards, but as someone else said, it's often because they've got a weak chin and the beard hides it ;). Some men will look good no matter what... BUT I also think a beard can obscure a good looking face, and I like to appreciate the whole face.
I just don't think this says a lot about me as a person, or as a woman! Although that being said, I don't think I'm all that submissive and meek either :p. I can appear to be on the surface, because I'm very quiet and shy etc. but In a relationship I'm all for equality and am not a bit submissive!
On the other hand, I prefer masculine looking men (just non-bearded ones generally :D). So I'm not attracted to weaker males either. (Or I should say... I guess I prefer men who are in between... I'm not into really big, burly guys... just a reasonable muscular build... although again, this won't necessarily impact on who I find attractive at any particular time... I was quite attracted to a really skinny guy last year! He had reasonable muscle, but was just one of those guys who can't seem to put on weight no matter how hard he tries).
I guess part of the issue is that when someone says something that implies "women who like beards are X and women who don't are Y" people will get their backs up a bit, as you're implying something about them that they may not like or agree with. You could offend a strong, confident woman by saying "women who like beards tend to be more submissive" if she's a beard liker, for example. (Okay, maybe some of us are just a bit too sensitive lol).
[QUOTE=Iron Fireling;944533]You could offend a strong, confident woman by saying "women who like beards tend to be more submissive" if she's a beard liker, for example. (Okay, maybe some of us are just a bit too sensitive lol).[/QUOTE]
and some of us enjoy giving people shit for their simplistic thinking. ;)
[QUOTE=Saoirse;944044]nah, you can't prove causation unless you have a double blind study, which would be impossible in this case. so nyah![/QUOTE]
Not at all. All we need to do is capture dominant women who hate beards, degrade them for a few years and then ask them if they find beards more attractive now. And of course we'll need to build up submissive women just to be thorough.
My poor fiance SO wants a big mountain man beard, but is an Irish/Native American combo that just doesn't have the genes for it.
[QUOTE=SentWest;944609]My poor fiance SO wants a big mountain man beard, but is an Irish/Native American combo that just doesn't have the genes for it.[/QUOTE]
Don't know what you're talking about. The Irish grow great facial hair.
This is similar to a debate of races. One can look at statistics and see that maybe one ethnicity has a higher income, one has a higher birth rate, etc. You can look at specific activities like the 100m dash in the Olympics and see that African gene-dominant people, well, dominate.
You can look at the makeup of hundreds of women who prefer beards more than hundreds of others. Maybe that first group is as I first described on average. I am not declaring causation. There's a difference between saying all beard-likers are submissive and beard-likers tend to be more submissive than non-beard-likers on average.
Philosophy aims to be simplistic...
i'm still trying to figure out how you came to the idea of submissive women liking beards and dominant women liking clean shaven
[QUOTE=bloodorchid;944665]i'm still trying to figure out how you came to the idea of submissive women liking beards and dominant women liking clean shaven[/QUOTE]
Duh, it's because all the dom dudes at the fetish clubs have beards, doncha know?
i thought that was just the burly bear gay men