[QUOTE=JamesS;932085]Geez, some people can't take a joke!!!
I sure am glad though that you jumped all over Paleobird when she kept attacking me without provocation.:rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
Now, now, James. Let's not rewrite history. I never attacked you. I disagreed with *some* of your ideas. Big difference.
My response was that these subjects were OT. They still are.[/QUOTE]
Stop with the excuses already. Your personal attacks against me were way more off topic than the subject of soy safety. Especially when some people claim soy is a major goitrogen and goitrogens can be countered by iodine. So the topic of soy is more on topic than your personal attacks that have nothing to do with the topic.
Furthermore, as I asked you several times I wanted you to start a new topic specifically to the dangers of soy you claim exist and I would address the claims. Instead you stormed off claiming you did not have time, yet you had plenty of time to go off on a childish rant about me on your journal and plenty of time to come back here and post with plenty of other off topic posts. When was your last post on this thread that actually had something to do with iodine?
Now, once again since you clearly have PLENTY of time on your hands whey don't you post something productive like starting that thread on the supposed dangers of soy?
[QUOTE=JamesS;932081]I am glad it helped you. But first of all as I pointed out several times before there are NUMEROUS causes of hypothyroidism. And not all forms of hypothyroidism respond to iodine supplementation. And excess iodine intake can be very detrimental to people with Hashimoto's and even induce autoimmune hypothyroidism. Extremely high levels have been shown to induce hypothyroidism and the thyroid shuts down to compensate for the poisonous levels of iodine.
If you are really interested in the potential dangers of excess iodine here is plenty of reading for you:
[url=http://medcapsules.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?fid=70]MedCapsules Forum - Iodine Safety/Issues[/url]
It also needs to be pointed out that there is a significant difference in toxicity between iodine and iodide. What level is toxic for one is not the same for the other.[/QUOTE]
"there is truth in your lies"
[QUOTE=Paleobird;932089]Now, now, James. Let's not rewrite history. I never attacked you. I disagreed with *some* of your ideas. Big difference.[/QUOTE]
good luck with that.
Iodine Treats Breast Cancer, Overwhelming Evidence
By Dr. Jeffrey Dach on 01/07/2010
In his Iodine book, David Brownstein MD reports three cases of spontaneous regression of breast cancer after iodine supplementation.
The first patient, Joan a 63 year old English teacher, was diagnosed with breast cancer in 1989, declined conventional treatment, and took 50 mg per day of Iodoral, (Iodine). Six weeks later, a PET scan (left image) showed, "all of the existing tumors were disintegrating".
The second patient, 73 year old Delores, was diagnosed with breast cancer in 2003. She declined conventional treatment with radiation and chemotherapy. Instead, Dolores took 50 mg of Iodoral daily. A follow up ultrasound of the breast 18 months later showed," It appears that these malignancies have diminished in size since the last examination. Interval improvement is definitely seen," Two years later a follow up mammogram and ultrasound failed to show any abnormality and were read by the radiologist as normal.
The third patient, 52 year old Joyce was diagnosed with breast cancer two years prior (left image), and started on Iodoral 50 mg per day. Three years after starting Iodoral, her follow up mammograms and ultrasound exams show decreasing size of the tumor with no progression.(1)
Iodine Deficiency Causes Breast Cancer - The Overwhelming Evidence
Human Studies of Areas with Low Iodine
Iodine deficiency is associated with a higher rate of goiter and breast cancer. Similarly, higher dietary Iodine intake is associated with less goiter and breast cancer. For example, Japan has the highest dietary intake of iodine (13 mg per day), and the lowest rates for goiter and breast cancer. However, when Japanese women immigrate and change dietary intake of Iodine to the lower 150 mcg/day in America, breast cancer rates increase.(1)
Iceland is another country with high Iodine intake and low rates for goiter and breast cancer. The high dietary iodine came from the fishing industry before WWI. In those days, the fish meal was fed to dairy cows providing milk with high iodine content. After WWI, the fish meal was eliminated from the dairy cows, and breast cancer rates soared ten-fold. (2)
Iodine deficient diets in animals induces breast cancer and goiter.(1)
Iodine Research from Mexico, India and Japan.
The Shrivastava group in India reported molecular iodine induces apoptosis (programmed cell death) in human breast cancer cell cultures. "Iodine showed cytotoxic effects in the cultured human breast cancer cells". (3)
From Mexico, the Carmen Aceves Velasco Group reported Iodine to be safe, with no harmful effects on thyroid function, and an anti-proliferative effect on human breast cancer cell cultures. (5)(6)(7) Their 2009 paper reported the mechanism by which Iodine works as an anti-cancer agent. Iodine binds to membrane lipids called lactones forming iodo-lactones which regulate apoptosis (programmed cell death). Iodine causes apoptosis which makes cancer cells undergo programmed cell death.(4) Dr. Aceves concluded that continuous molecular iodine treatment has a "potent antineoplastic effect" on the progression of mammary cancer. (10)
From Japan, Dr Funahashi reported a common seaweed food containing high iodine content is more beneficial than chemotherapy on breast cancer. "He found that administration of Lugol’s iodine or iodine-rich Wakame seaweed to rats treated with the carcinogen dimethyl benzanthracene suppressed the development of mammary tumors. The same group demonstrated that seaweed induced apoptosis in human breast cancer cells with greater potency than that of fluorouracil, a chemotherapeutic agent used to treat breast cancer."(8)
Mechanism of Action-Altering Gene Expression
A 2008 paper by Bernard A. Eskin MD showed that Iodine actually altered gene expression in breast cancer cells, inducing programmed cell death. (9)
Lung Cancer and Iodine
A 2003 study by Ling Zhang ahowed that molecular Iodine caused lung cancer cells to undergo programmed cell death (apoptosis). These lung cancer cells had been genetically modified to increase iodine uptake.(12) Interestingly, a 1993 case report describes spontaneous remission of lung cancer in a patient incidentally treated with Amiodorone which contains iodine (about 9 mg per day)(13)
Current Iodine research calls for use of molecular Iodine for all patients with breast cancer. (10)(11) Other cancers such as lung and prostate may also benefit. Further research on Iodine as cancer chemotherapy should receive top priority for NIH funding.
Iodine in the form of Iodoral tablets is available OTC, on the internet without a prescription.
Jeffrey Dach, M.D. is Board Certified in Diagnostic and Interventional Radiology and has 25 years experience serving the Memorial Healthcare System in Hollywood, Florida, with Radiology Associates of Hollywood.
After obtaining extensive experience and knowledge of all phases of clinical medicine during 25 years as a hospital based Diagnostic and Interventional Radiologist, Dr. Dach founded a new medical clinic specializing in Bioidentical Hormones, and natural thyroid for the low thyroid condition. Dr. Dach also prescribes low dose naltrexone (LDN) for a variety of inflammatory and auto-immune conditions.
You can read more at [url=http://drdach.com]Jeffrey Dach MD Bio-Identical Hormones and Natural Thyroid[/url]
James, I'm interested in your posts, enjoying the technical ones, and I'm glad you joined this thread. I'm curious about something on which I'd like your input. I read conflicting information on the iodine skin test and I'm still not convinced it's a viable test for iodine deficiency. The radioactive uptake test is NOT an option, so how can someone determine if they're deficient? Or do you have faith in the skin patch test? If a person was exposed to fluoridated water for decades it would probably be safe to assume there's some sort of iodine deficiency going on - I've read that fluoride and iodine kind of cancel each other out in the body. So basically, is a deficiency assumed? I have a hard time not believing the camp that claims the skin test doesn't reflect how much iodine you have in your body. If you think the skin test is accurate do you have links to any studies?
Thanks in advance.
[QUOTE=longing2bfit;932080]wow, thanks, is there anything else that can be done naturally to help with menopause? I am in a group and none of us take medication as we have all decided to go through it 100% natural but we have symptoms ranging from weight gain (a lot) increased blood sugars, migraines, insomnia, hot flashes, acne, low thyroid, hair loss to name a few. None of us take ANY meds of any kind not even over the counter! We range from early 50's to early 60's. I am the one suggesting herbs/vitamins to the group so I was designated the one to find out what kind! HELP!!
Not trying to be pushy but would like to stop by the health food store on my way to work tonight!!!! :)
your heart is in the right place but you are up against a seasoned professional troll. there are only two ways to get rid of him now. ban him completely after he has done much damage or let the damage be complete so that there is no longer any "food" for him and he moves on of his own.[/quote]
OrganicMan, You are clearly correct. He was banned at 2 other forums and that was not from being Mr. Nice Guy. Forums don't ban a person unless they are a serious problem. A seasoned professional Troll makes a lot of sense.
He has still not answered the simple question that I asked:
[B]What is the maximum level of Lugols iodine in mg that you consider to be safe for most people?
but instead he was deceptive and said he already answered the question, and he was insulting as usual on top of this.
Unfortunately, he will never be banned because MDA moderators do not ban people. They simply close the thread with problems. So JamesS is likely to have free reign here at MDA for life.
This is no longer an iodine thread because no one here is willing to fight off people like James who call Dr. Recommended doses of iodine up to 50 to 100mg as Poisonous.
People get banned~like darthfriendly did!
Why can't you just post your iodine positives and ignore the posts about the negatives and let everyone make up their own mind Grizz? It doesn't have to be a fight or a competition does it? It's good to hear both sides of the story right?
[QUOTE=KerryK;932066]I second this motion. Enough snark attacks on PB. By all means comment/respond to any future posts she may make, but enough of these comments and responses on posts from way back.[/QUOTE]
Your comments would carry a lot more weight if you jumped all over Paleobird when she kept personally attacking me simply because she never bothered to to her homework to verify what I posted. The fact that you are defending her actions indirectly makes you just as guilty as she is. What gives Paleobird the right to personally attack anyone? Especially when they are new here and posting evidence from medical journals to back their claims. Something I have yet to see her do.