[QUOTE=Saoirse;855857]i think the takehome point with "averages are skewed" is simply that the percentile is based on "average" and the average kid in the US is not healthy. just because a kid is a certain percentile does not make the kid un/healthy. maybe i need to read more closely, but i don't see anyone suggesting restricted carbs or restricted food at all. some kids are just more slender than others.[/QUOTE]
You are exactly right...And your reading comprehension is just fine. icz is fighting an illusion carb battle in their head apparently. The PB recs are quite close to range for optimal carb consumption in kids anyhow though. Mothers milk is 39% carb, 55% fat, and 7% protein by calorie and produces quite rapid growth (FYI cows milk is 29%carb, 52% fat, 19%protein). Adjusted for slightly less calories in a little boy thats probably right around your 100-150g of carbohydrate a day. Pretty cool how that works out eh? Get some good fats in them and some protein and your good to go.
All in all my kids are able to choose the foods they eat. Neither of them like potatoes....they both go for the meat first....they both like bananna's, melons, apples, pears, and dark chocolate. They eat primal food till full....no limits.
it is pretty cool! i have no clue if my kids get that ratio; i try to make sure they get a minimum amount of protein and they have access to a variety of foods of their choosing throughout the day (carbs and fat). last i checked, they all hover around 50% for height and 60% for weight, with what appears to me as a healthy amount of muscle for their bodies. for example, my 2 yo (who's still nursing and has free access to food of all sorts) is deceptively heavy when you pick him up. but you can see the slight outline of his ribs on the sides if he's not wearing a shirt. i can only assuming that he has a fairly high lean body mass, which i think is healthy for people regardless of age.
the only thing that concerns me about a low weight in children is that they don't have much to survive on in case of illness. that's why i suggested muscle-mass building activities.
This is interesting to read.
If you are happy with their caloric intake, then I wouldn't worry if they are active and healthy otherwise.
I thought that my little guy (will be 4 in August) was 'skinny' but now I realize that he's comparatively a little tank. He's well muscled, not pudgy at all (and never really has been), and he's currently 43 lbs and 3 ft 6 inches tall. That apparently puts him in 95 for height and 95 for weight, but there's no way that he looks fat. He even has to wear "skinny pants" because of his 'tiny' waste (relative to other kiddos his age. :)
Perhaps try diversifying into pumpkin (which you can do sweet or savory).
[QUOTE=Mamame;855318]We've been pretty strictly primal at home now for over a year. Kids are 3 and 6. They are both extremely skinny for their age and as I was watching my 3 year old in the pool today I realized that my once chunky toddler has skeletal looking arms - it was kind of disturbing just how little there was to them. 3 year old is about 29 lbs, 6 year old is 38 lbs.
They eat rice/potatoes at least once a day. Lots of fruit and veggies. Meat at least 2 meals/day. I do low sugar/high fat primal baking that the kids eatonce in awhile. B'fast is usually coconut flour/almond butter pancakes made with lots of eggs (they OD'd on eggs and won't eat them plain more than once or twice a month now). The 3 year old drinks about 1 cup of whole milk/day. Snacks are cheese, pepperoni sticks, sometimes hard boiled eggs, nuts, fruit, raw veggies, popsicles (coconut milk with either dark chocolate or berries), or primal muffins or cookies. Veggies are usually pan fried in lard. When we have ribs/pork hocks the 3 year old has been known to eat big hunks of fat.
I don't think adding more fat to their diet is needed - they get PLENTY. They are quite active. I'm guessing more carbs is what they need? More rice? More potatoes? Neither will eat sweet potatoes. Any other suggestions?[/QUOTE]
[url=http://books.google.com/books?id=VfwlyUxCbxkC&lpg=PP1&dq=Strong%20Kids%20Healthy%20Kids&pg=PP1#v=onepage&q=Strong%20Kids%20Healthy%20Kids&f=false]Strong Kids, Healthy Kids: The Revolutionary Program for Increasing Your ... - Fredrick Hahn - Google Books[/url]
I was basing my comments on what the the OP said: "I need to fatten my kids up" and that their arms were "skeletal" etc. She asked whether they need more carbs. You know what? Probably. Your conscience was telling you to look into something - you just went to the wrong place to ask it.
You know if this were looking in on a vegan board, I imagine we'd all be pretty critical of the vegan parents imposing their values on their children if they were describing them as "skeletal." I am a critical thinker, and when someone tells me that their kids are too thin and are eating "rice and potatoes once a day" and "primal baked goods" for f-sake, my alarm bells go off. I am fully aware that some kids are thin -- my son is thin and his best friend's body fat is so low that he turns blue if he practically goes near water. But, neither of them has unnecessary food restrictions placed on them.
How about this -- check in with a nutritionist. (And yes they might be more inclined to the SAD, but at least they can tell you what healthy children need to fuel their bodies [I]and not a bunch of ideologues on an internet site[/I] for goodness sake.)
uh...wow. when i decide what to feed my kids, it's based on which foods are the most nutritious. if i wanted to "fatten them up" i would encourage foods like whole fat dairy, avocados, fatty cuts of meat. do you want to know what a nutritionist would say? "feed them more calories." obviously that can be done primally without loading crap into their bodies. primal cuts out grains, sugar, and unhealthy fats, which still leaves the most caloric-dense foods; which also happen to be high in other nutrients as well. if a kid isn't maintaining a decent amount of fat on foods like avocados and whole fat yogurt, either that's the way they're supposed to be, or there is something wrong with the kid's endocrine (and it should be checked out). you're the one who's shoving ideology at a kid; i'm looking for rational answers. a kid who is a hard gainer is not going to be encouraged to eat grains, even by a nutritionist, because they are not very dense in calories. use your brain instead of freaking out.
At my eldest daughter's last hospital appointment I was told she needed to gain weight, but that was because she was actually dropping weight which is not a good thing in a growing child. At the time she had no interest in food and just wasn't eating.
I started adding more fat to all her meals. Vegetables had butter melted on top, cheese was sprinkled over eggs etc. It was like a switch was flicked. All of sudden she was hungry all the time and she has been eating really well ever since. I make sure she gets a decent about of carbs but don't stress if she doesn't get a set amount every day. We do a lot of dairy but it doesn't seem to effect her adversely.
Back to the hospital for a checkup today and she has gained weight and is the healthiest she has ever been. Primal eating really has made a difference for her.
I don't think that every skinny kid needs to gain weight. My daughter is still very slim. But when needed I found adding more calories was a good thing. Now just watch out for my thread "Help, my 7 year old is eating me out of house and home!"
Kids grow and gain weight on complex carbs the same way adults do. (What the OP wants, correct?) In us, it can be unhealthy, but find me an article that says whole wheat pasta is bad for normal or underweight kids. Kids also happen to [I]like[/I] pasta and breads, and that is for a reason. Their bodies need more glucose than ours. Not ring-dings or Twinkies or Koolaid, but real, complex carbs.
I am a mom, and a food educator, and a food writer -- so I do speak with some authority. If I were to limit my 8-year old son to the primally "accepted" foods, (meaning no WW pasta, bread, or tortillas) he would be beyond skinny. We need to trust [B]their[/B] bodies inherent wisdom as well.
And yet, so many children with gluten intolerances who tend to do fine without WW pasta, bread and tortillas. HOw is it even possible?
Oh, right. "complex carbs" exist in a variety of starchy foods, not just wheat.
Mom, yoga teacher, and business woman -- since ethos is important.