THANK YOU for taking the time to respond letting me know about Matt's retraction to his article. I found the podcast where he discussed his experience. In a nutshell, he finished with:
“Don’t do that.” “If you are going to burn carbohydrate, eat carbohydrate.” He recommends starchy stuff like yucca root, peeled potatoes for this. “If you are going to do high-intensity exercise, you should eat the carbohydrate that goes along with it.”
I updated my blog on this topic if anyone is interested:
[url=http://www.lowcarblearning.com/2012/05/crossfit-on-a-low-carb-paleo-or-primal-diet/]CrossFit on a Low Carb Paleo or Primal Diet | Low Carb Learning[/url]
Direct link to the source podcast where Matt discusses his experience is here: [url=http://robbwolf.libsyn.com/webpage/the-paleo-solution-episode-68]The Paleo Solution | Paleolithic nutrition, intermittent fasting, and fitness[/url] (starts at 44:07)
Of course, this doesn't truly ANSWER anything. Matt says that you need carbs to do CrossFit. Okay...how much? That still remains a mystery to me. In the meantime, I indulged in a serious treat tonight (ice cream) in anticipation of a 1.5 hour condensed personal training session tomorrow morning, and will make sure to eat a large sweet potato either before or after each WOD this week that I do. I plan on doing 3x per week. Wish me luck! : )
Again - iniQuity - thank you for letting me know of this. You may have saved me some serious side effects.
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No problem, I'm glad I was able to. I attempted going pretty low carb and upping exercise myself with bad effects, as a result of reading that article but before hearing the podcast. You should write to Rob or someone on his team to update that article.
With regards to how much carb to eat, you should just experiment, because the number depends on many things including your activity level, age, physiology, etc, no two people will be the same here. Also depends on your goals, of course. As far as when to eat the carbs, also don't think it's a huge deal, just make sure your body is well fed and nourished and it will respond to exercise.
Thanks again. About once every 2 months, I get an itch to grab a pint of Ben & Jerry's "Everything But The..." ice cream and treat myself. Last night I figured would be a good time to satisfy it : )
I had a combined Fundamentals session this morning from 8:30 to 10. I felt pretty good and although I was sweating like crazy and at the end was pretty winded, I feel *right* now - a little sore (good sore), but energized.
I won't be eating Ben & Jerry's again anytime soon but I will start making a point to add a sweet potato/bananas more and go from there.
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[QUOTE=iniQuity;845774]Don't trust that article, it irks me that it was never updated by Lalonde himself said on a podcast that going low-carb and keeping up crossfit eventually caught up with him and he bottomed out hard. According to the podcast he had to eat two pints of ice cream after a workout once because he needed to get his sugar up quick. I can't remember what podcast it was, but if you do a search for one with lalonde on it, a few months after this article it was one of the topics. They really should make a note on it, it's very misleading as is.
If you ENJOY eating low-carb (don't care not to eat much fruit, don't care for rice, etc), then make sure to carb refeed every now and then. If you're somebody that LIKES to eat starches daily (or you don't want to cut down on fruits, etc) then just eat conscious carbs everyday to fuel your performance.[/QUOTE]
i think it was an old robb wolf podcast from a while ago. if i remember correctly, matt had to run in tothe ben and jerry's in harvard square and gobble down all that ice cream to basically keep from croaking.
on a side note, i've been having success in cycling my carb intake to one day of high carb and then one day of low carb. high usually is about 150-200 grams and low is about 50 grams. i don't do crossfit, but my training tends to be just as intense/if not more intense and of all the carb methods, this one has worked out the best for me in terms of muscle growth/fat loss, and not having a negative impact on my performance
If anyone is still around I do Crossfit and eat about 30 to 80 carbs a day. I have not figured out how and when to eat more carbs on workout days or if I need too. I am a naturally big guy and do very well on protien only. I dont miss carbs but Im not sure if it effecting my workouts. I love white rice and sweet potatoe. Should I have a nice portion by them selfs after a work out.
[QUOTE=stevejill91;1533322]If anyone is still around I do Crossfit and eat about 30 to 80 carbs a day. I have not figured out how and when to eat more carbs on workout days or if I need too. I am a naturally big guy and do very well on protien only. I dont miss carbs but Im not sure if it effecting my workouts. I love white rice and sweet potatoe. Should I have a nice portion by them selfs after a work out.[/QUOTE]
Eating high glycemic carbs after a workout is the optimum time to have them.
I am also a naturally big guy and i also do crossfit. I still keep carbs low, today was "0" . I still feel fine i just have to remember to eat. I only train 2-3 days so i get plenty of rest. I keep my cal intake to about 1200 a day except when i workout them out goes up to 2000++. I make sure i get plenty of fat , %50 for energy since my carb intake is low.
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[QUOTE=mark2741;846168]Thanks iniquity. I will look for that podcast.
In the meantime - I'd better start adding more carbs to my diet just in case. I'd rather put on a few extra pounds that walk around in a haze and not be able to put 100% effort into my CrossFit sessions. Thinking about this topic more...it makes sense that carbs would be necessary. My limited (mainly due to lack of interest) understanding in the science is that the body uses carbs for intense movement, particulary for short 'fight or flight' periods, but fat is utilized best when doing low-intensity movement. If this is in fact the case, then to be on the safe side I'm going to add more carbs into my day to day, particular the day before/of CrossFit sessions, and see how it goes.[/QUOTE]
Carbs generally don't "bulk" you if you work out hard. If you are really concerned look into something like Rennaisance and follow that (you eat carbs related to our workout levels and they have it down to a science and you just plug in foods and can still eat paleo approved foods). You might gain some weight, but it's water and tends to go away quickly. That plan is a template and tells you "eat X carbs, Y fat and Z protein at this time....". I followed it for about 2.5 months and lost 13 lbs and felt amazing. I did lose 5lbs off my squat pr and 10 off my deadlift, but set a new bench pr by 10 lbs (and was not focusing on strength). So I assume most of my loss was fat.
Anyhow, I feel like they know their stuff and its a good compliment to paleo or primal eating if you want to be athletic. I felt AMAZING following their plan, and am starting back Sunday.
I have seen men be fine doing low carb and crossfit though.