[QUOTE=Happy Paleo Girl;904735]Based on my own personal experience, I would never jump up that high. I think it really depends on each person's level of toxicity, etc. As for starting small prolonging the pain - starting small is the only thing that has saved me from the pain of detox symptoms! Since I have been going low and slow, I have been feeling GREAT! It's only when I have jumped up too high that I've experienced negative reactions - brain fog, depression, anxiety, feelings of hopelessness, bloating, broderma, the stink of bromines being released!
HOWEVER, for those who are very sick, getting into the high doses very quickly may be necessary, and worth dealing with the detox symptoms. Luckily, I am not battling any serious illnesses, I just have a few niggling health issues that I'd like to resolve, but I have the luxury of taking my time.[/QUOTE]
And for those with serious issues, too much detox too fast can tip them into heart failure, damaged kidneys and toxic liver. I started small and have worked my way up to 8 drops 2% Lugol's per day, and have been fighting intestinal and heart symptoms in a mild way. Even mild is all I can handle, having me sit up most nights with nitro handy. And I've been at this 8+ weeks.
Heart issues and iodine
I am sorry to hear that you have heart issues too. On my first heart attack I had two stents put in and yes my lifestyle working 60 to 80 hours a week was bad. I wasn’t aware until much later that I was eating and drinking foods, and beverages that had “fluoride and bromine” in them. (“FDA , governments” fault on that one) I had only 3% damage on that first heart attack. My wife and I were making contributions monthly so we could have two insurances. Again I went back to some bad habits but not at first. The doctors that got paid a 100% of their fees NEVER mentioned that statins depleted one’s coQ10 which feeds the heart muscle.
The blood thinners they put me on causes one’s Vitamin K to deplete. (No K2 for me) The daily aspirin regimen does the same. And I could go on and on, on other fun side effects too. BTW my cholesterol was 167 on the first heart attack so why put me on cholesterol meds anyway??? Through the years I went to several heart doctors in three different Groups. Not one ever mentioned that hey, you should be on coQ10. I made the mistake of trusting them and their many YEARS of experience so 4 years later I had a Major heart attack that destroyed over 60% of my heart muscle. My cholesterol was 156 at the time of the 2nd heart attack.
What did the good heart doctors do this time? They doubled my meds and keep asking me to get a 75,000 dollar defibrillator implanted. My EF was 25% right after the 2nd heart attack. 30% or less is considered a listing by social security disability.
BTW if you quit taking the prescribed meds that the doctors give you, you will be denied your disability because SSD says that you are being non-compliant. I would work 5 more years before I finally got my SSD. I worked for 36 years total but they work very hard to deny you. (Long STORY)
Iodine and selenomethionine are the only things that allowed me to work. I added D3 later than K2 and so on.
I will have to go back to the heart doctors at a later time, to get some tests run, for my own scrutiny but more than likely I WON’T take ANY of the meds they will ask me too. Why bother? I’ve got IODINE and company!
I now go to a very kind family doctor, who gives me whatever I rarely need.
PAYSAN, What an interesting story. I too have had good and bad experiences with doctors. I am lucky to be alive as I got to the e-room with hours to live before they gave me oxygen, stablized me, then put a replacement aorta valve in my heart. The doctor told me that held my heart in his hand and he got a good look at it. He said there were no blockages, just the bad valve. He also said the defect was congenital and could have gone bad any time, but this was perfect because I was in my early 40s and could handle the operation and the rehab better. A little older, maybe not as well, a little younger and the technology was not there.
It has left me with the need for warafin. In May, when I was newly without insurance, I unabashodly told my doctor I was only going to pay for one blood test to control the warafin. They told me get it done or find anew doctor.(Myway or the highway!) So as I was contemplating which way to go, 2 days latter, I got a registered letter I had to sign for. My office discharged me and made up excuses to base it on. So that has been the bad. It has all been since I came onto MDA that I have been a rebel. In the 18 month's since my stroke, I have seen the insides of too many hospital rooms. But since December when I had a meeting with my nuerologist, they put me on Actos, which made me incintinent and did nothing to control my fasting blood glucose, I quit it after finding the primal balance. My diabetes doc was fine with that and gave me permission to wean myself from Januvia. I am almost finished with that. So I have done nothing that has not been agreed upon by a doctor. My cholesterol was high, a(after starting on Primal Balance of course) I refused the statins. But this is not the first time I have refused them. I started taking cold(ish) showers, and that brought a need for less blood pressure medicine and for smaller pants. :cool:
All the changes in my life in the past 7 1/2 months are because I knew there was a natural food based solution to my type ii diabetes. That brought me to MDA. And for those pushing Grizz's buttons, I made the decision consciously and without the help of a knowledgeable doctor. Hmm, I am thinking jumbo shrimp and army intelligence. Most people are on this thread because they are seeking a better way to their own health. I like to think they are intelligent based on the way they write. Based on Grizz's discoveries, I am feeling better than I have in years. So I can't fault his Paul Revere style. I have been their way before and have created that kind of rhetoric and hubbub for my own entertainment or bemusement. Whatever their motivation, I find it boorish when two obvious well meaning folks start sniping at each other. Yeah Grizz has his style, so what. If you don't like it, send a private message. Airing dirty laundry like this makes everybody look poorly to outsiders and I think colors the participants on both sides poorly. So if an iodine newbie should get the wrong impression, both sides are at fault. But Grizz has spent more time looking stuff up than almost everybody on here. I get time to read half of the links he posts. I dare anyone to meet the dedication he has put into this thread. Be nice people.
Okay, ramble into a rambling rant over.
Well John, I was considerably older than you when my first heart attack occurred, but this was about a decade after a paralysing stroke put me in hospital for many weeks of recovery and therapy. That was my first experience with statins and blood thinners, each covered by our medical insurance, each discarded by me within short order by undesirable side effects. Since then, I've had a couple more heart attacks, obviously non-fatal (!) and the doc has prepared me to die any time. However, I went low carb over a decade ago and peeled off an unnecessary 80 lbs (gained back 12), and have always supplemented extensively. I have also tried various n=1 experiments, including my current iodine and leptin reset protocols. Oh yes, and icing my oversize love handles as a form of CT.! So if I fall silent on these lists, you'll know my experiments ended badly. And it won't be anyone's fault except mine. What is it they say? Too soon old, too late smart? That's me.
Taking 8,000 IU’s to 10,000 IU’s of D3 at night only, in the last few months, has caused me to lose a total of 25 lbs. I had become Diabetic type 2 in 2010. My A1C was at 7.1. Not only has the D3 dropped my triglycerides to 125 but my A1C has now dropped to 6.1. One tenth away from the top-end of normal. Taking 10000 IU’s will bring me back to normal in a couple more weeks. I take magnesium malate and spray magnesium oil everyday too. I take K2-mk4 one MILLIgram, 3 times a day with a teaspoon of coconut oil. My wife uses olive oil in place of the coconut oil. K2-mk4 WILL force calcium into your teeth and bones where it belongs out of your arteries. (Note: if you are on blood thinners try and wait till you finish them before you start K2 therapy). Stay the course with the iodine and selenomethionine if you can.
This is my personal experience and I am just sharing some of my protocol.
Godspeed to some good health for you!
P.S. I am working on getting my HDL above 30. I know I need B12 5000mcgs a day with B6 and folic acid. The magic bullet is TMG which I just received in the mail earlier today, and it is taunted to amplify B12, B6 and folic acid in a profound way to raise HDL. Have noticed a surge of energy after taking it, within 45 minutes! The energy lasted most of the day... I have taken B12 in the past and never felt it.
Can you point the way to the info posted regarding thyroid meds preventing iodine from getting into our cells? I looked and couldn't find it.
"Thyroid Hormones and Iodine. If you take supplemental thyroid hormones, you inhibit the ability of the body to absorb iodine. That is why they recommend to patients about to received radioactive-iodine scans that they go off all thyroid hormones for two to three weeks prior to the scan. Women who take thyroid hormones have a much higher risk of breast cancer than other women."
Post #3444 by Grizz
Then I edited this post to add this paragraph contained in the link from that original post:
"The thyroid hormones are synthesized in the follicular cells of the thyroid. The first step to hormonesynthesis is the import of iodide into the follicular cells. Thyroid hormone regulates mitochondrial protein synthesis through the stimulation of synthesis of mitochondrial protein synthesis modulators, and that the tissue specific modulators (stimulatory in liver and inhibitory in kidney) can be produced by the hormone.[xiv] Whole body iodine sufficiency is a critical means to counter the side effects of thyroid hormone medications (Synthroid, etc.). Long-term use of these drugs is associated with depletion of thyroid and tissue iodine levels, as well as increased rates of cancer. All thyroid patients should be on iodine therapy."
I'm going on a weekend trip to visit our son & grandson in their new house.
Don't let the TROLLS disrupt this great thread while I am away.
@ Grizz - that is an unnecessarily inflammatory remark. It's about time you worked out what a troll is and realise that there aren't any on this thread - just some people who have opinions which aren't necessarily the same as yours. That doesn't make anyone a troll.
Latest iodine skin patch test update (if anyone is interested!) . Painted a one inch patch at 10.00 a.m yesterday. When I went to bed at 10.00 pm, it was still clearly visible, and this morning at 7.30 there was still a very faint remnant - a sort of discoloured shadow. This is on one drop of Lugol's 3% three times a week in water, with brazil nuts, D3 and K2 as supplements.
I am fortunate not to have any of the problems which a lot of people on this thread have, and which they have been taking large doses of iodine for, so haven't felt the need for large amounts, but I am very pleased that the patch test is indicating that my iodine levels must be pretty good.
Iím glad that you feel good on your low dose of Iodine each week. Good for you. Very glad that you take K2 for it is so good for helping to prevent plaque in the veins which leads to heart attacks, strokes, and dangerous leg clots. And the D3 is wonderful too. I tried for years to get my triglycerides down and D3 did it in 8 weeks. D3 also help me lose weight, as well as my handicapped daughter and my wife. (She lost over 30lbs). I would talk about studies that show over 80% of everyone is deficient in D3 but instead I will say that blood work showed my wife, my daughter and I were all low on D3. One of the family doctors I used to go too, started including the D3 blood test on all her patients after she witnessed firsthand what taking D3 did for me and my family.
About a year later as she went over my blood work I asked her what she personally thought about D3. She responded that almost everyone she tested was low on D3, even construction workers who spent all day out in the sun.