[QUOTE=Blackcatbone;925378]It was popularized by Sue Shepherd from Australia. There's been a lot of research there but many here in the states are pretty unaware. I don't necessarily agree with everything she recommends but the results are pretty drastic. Definitely check out the Yahoo group for FM, as that's the best source of info I've found. It's a closed group so you need to request membership. Also read through Dr Ayer's blog, Cooling Inflammation. Look at the comments as well where you'll find a lot of good info. My personal opinion is that the solution lies in a combination of the two approaches.[/QUOTE]
Thanks, I'll look for the Yahoo! Group and also check out the Cooling Inflammation blog. :)
So glad this thread resurfaced. I was just doing some fodmaps research for myself. I've been having gut wrenching pains the last few wks, nausea, and exhaustion. I've been strict paleo, completed a whole50, loosened up a bit, but not enough as to where I'd be getting this sick.
I get a burning pit in my stomach at odd times and after I eat completely different things, so fodmaps kind of hits home for me. I also figured my diet was TOO high in fat and meat, my small frame can't handle it. I'm upping carbs (I'm very active anyway) and eliminating some fodmaps. So far so good. Just baffling honestly, I've been "fine" for so long. Primal for almost 2 years, last 4 months strict paleo.
I felt I was eating too high in fat/protein as well...and brought back the potato---I'm a happy camper now! I was more astounded that I should cut out the kale that I had been including.
This also makes me think back to my juicing days and all of that kale, dandelion, apples and other FODMAPS that I ingested on a regular basis! As long as I dont have to cut out my bacon and eggs I think I'll survive even this!
[QUOTE=Leida;925330]Well, like cherries being bad, but bananas Okay; blackberries bad, but raspberries and blueberries Okay; watermelons bad, but other melons Okay? I have the fructose counts, and blueberry is 10, while raspberry is 4 and blackberry is 5?
I have never met anyone who had problems with beets (which are forbidden) but eggplant 'moves' most people I know (and it's allowed?)
Kefir was always touted as digestive aid, and so were fresh cheese, but here hard cheeses are Okay, but soft cheeses are not?
Is it Okay not to eliminate foods you have never noticed a problem with, like onions and garlic? Or is it 6 weeks on zucchinis and meats/fats, and then you strat introducing 'Okay foods'? Or what we are doing, by eliminating the offenders we noticed in the past is fine?
I just don't get the logic behind the chart.[/QUOTE]
This. I find the chart (s) very confusing. Some have broccoli as bad, some as OK. Onions and garlic? Really?
And I agree, why are blackberries on the black list (no pun intended). Over the years I have found that apples and mushrooms are really bad for me (I've suffered with bad reactions to some foods since childhood - all my life as far as I remember) and I'm really pleased with the idea that fodmap avoidance might replace immodium in my life, but the apparent inconsistencies amaze me.
I'd read elsewhere that Jerusalem artichoke, onion etc was a good source of prebiotics - is that now considered to be bad advice?
If you have FM, 98% chance onions will be your worst enemy. Onions don't contain fructose, they contain fructans i believe. If you have FM, it means a bad gut flora balance, and eating the prebiotic foods, only exaccebrates the condition as i assume the bad bacteria is dominating and eating it up. I have been FM for past 2yrs now. Onions tear up my insides with flatulence. Funnily enough garlic is ok in moderation. Everyone wil be different.
Blackberries contain mannitol i believe, it's not just looking at fructose, it's a bunch of things. Legumes are not ok on a low fodmap list, once again nothing to do with fructose but rather other components which i can't be arsed to check now. I bough the Monash booklet here in Aus, Monash is the leading university responsible for testing foods and deciding whether or not they are appropriate. THe booklet states <1/2 cup of brocholli or brussel sprouts in a sitting. You should have at least 3hrs between sittings. So 1 piece of fruit and then 3hrs another one is how it shuold be approached.
Likewise sweet potatoes and butternut squash should be <1/2 cup per sitting. Sweet potatoes contain mannitol. Anything high in a sugar ending in-tol will be off the limits. It's not a hard diet to stick to, persuming your digestive system is only compromised enough to enable you to eat everything on the 'safe' list. I was fine until i realised i'm better off excluding nightshades aswell, due to persumably having a degree of leaky gut, that has been the worst for me because i loved capscicum, tomatoe and eggplant. I mite some time in the future try and reintroduce some but probably better off without.
thanks for that. Makes more sense now! I rarely if ever eat sweet potato, I don't like them! Is white potato OK?? I shall run with the fodmaps for a while then, see how it goes. It would be wonderful to get rid of the digestive issues that have been the bane of my life for 50 years!!!!
Yeah white potatoe is ok if your fine with nightshades.
[QUOTE=ryan54;925392]Are any sweeteners allowed? What I really mean is honey and maple syrup.[/QUOTE]
Honey tends to be high in fructose, although some may be more so than others. If you're only using small amounts and don't have a problem it may be okay, but stick to natural or raw. I believe maple syrup is okay. I just use stevia or if I'm out and about plain white sugar if I get a coffee. If you do use stevia stay away from anything with fos or inulin. Both just absolutely KILL me. And be careful to look at labels because even 'health foods' sometimes sneak this stuff in.
Well, I've been trying to follow the FODMAP thing for 2 days now and the results have been very hopeful! Still some questions - what about oranges? Is sauerkraut OK (I know cabbage is not). What about things such as aubergine (eggplant) which I've seen considered bad on some sites and good on others - there does seem to be a bit of contradiction in places!
I suppose to quite an extent it is a matter of trying things out to see for myself what works and what doesn't. I am beginning to feel that wine - more than two glasses anyway - is bad, too. And coffee might be one of my "triggers".
Oranges are usually okay for most people. I can eat them as long as I don't go crazy, like 4-5 a day, which I have been known to do. But that's more to do with the acidity. Sauerkraut and cabbage is an individual thing. If you can eat other cruciferous veg then it shouldn't be a problem, although you might have symptoms if you eat fermented as it it has lot of probiotics. If this is the case I would recommend eating small amounts and seeing if you can increase the amounts, because you do want to diversify your gut flora which should allow you to eat more foods in the future.