[QUOTE=ChocoTaco369;545561]I would rather eat beans than nuts. Way less omega 6, less anti-nutrients, far less calories...to this day I don't understand how black/kidney/pinto beans are off limits but almonds/walnuts/pecans aren't. Peanuts I can understand, but the rest? I don't get it.[/QUOTE]
I wonder the same thing.
Sadly I think its because nuts and seeds are "paleolithic" while legumes are "neolithic." This is how I viewed paleo but no more. Or primal, whatever.
I think for people who know NOTHING about nutrition and don't have the time to educate themselves are BEST off by avoiding ALL grains, legumes and dairy AND nuts and seeds. Seriously.
Eat all the freaking meat and veggies you want. Seafood and eggs too. And butter. And olive oil. Macadamia oil. Fruit is, well, fine I think. I've been eating more and feel awesome.
Then after 30 days, add other foods and and see how you feel, look and perform!
I need to create a toadally primal guide. My guide. What I feel is best. I think you all will love it!
[QUOTE=Primal Toad;547501]I agree with this post 100%.
No, really! They are overrated but, like you said, we consume so freaking much of them that it MUST be the main focus. And, they are VERY problematic for MOST people. But, as you stated, this is probably because that is the food group we consume the most! A serving a day is FINE for MOST when they heal their gut.[/quote]
Yep. I don't know about a serving a DAY, though. That's way too much gluten IMO. What I'm talking about is having a bowl of pasta at Grandma's once a month when she makes Sunday dinner for the family, or an ear of corn at the Labor Day BBQ coming up. I'll definitely be chowing down on a few ears.
[QUOTE=Primal Toad;547501]But, for someone like me and yourself, adding some white rice may be very beneficial. Or enjoying popcorn with butter during a movie might improve our lives. How? PLAY folks. We all forget about play. I am so freaking happy that Mark talked about play the AHS. HUGE. If you go to a movie and your SO wants popcorn then by golly eat it if you want it too! Don't stress about it. If you don't want it then sweet! But, if you have a small urge then go for it.
Unless you are certain that it will cause you harm. Just don't forget about stress![/QUOTE]
I must say, I'm glad I'm not much of a popcorn fan. Never really liked it. But a buttered ear of corn...well...who wouldn't want that?! Crazy people, that's who!
I just don't get why people eat seeds. I had a sunflower seed once because I had a friend that used to devour them, it was all work for very little reward.
I thought I asked Mark to do a post on beans via email. I guess he hasn't gotten to it yet...
I've always been skeptical of nuts.
Macas are the best. And macadamia oil trumps olive oil.
Pistachios are the second best IMO. All the amino acids, LOTS of nutrition, less than 4 grams of omega 6 and tasty too.
One serving a day is fine if you supplement with fish oil and eat fish/seafood once in a while.
But, I do think some beans/legumes might trump most nuts.
And, legumes are cheaper too.
I've been eating peas recently. Cheap, easy and awesome! Nutritious too!
Toad-- so glad you posted that. I've been boucing all over the place between paleo, primal, and that slow carb diet thing.
IF Robb Wolf's right, and weight loss is basically all about insulin, then Tim Ferris is also right too, and the weight loss "enemy" isn't carbs, but sugar and high glycemic index carbs. But that's just one piece of the healthy diet thing. Sisson seems to lump beans in with wine, chocolate, and cheese. Probably not the best thing you can eat, but meal diversity is really nice (and so is some veggies and hummus, from time to time).
I really like Sisson's conceptualization of healthy eating as "primal" as opposed to the "paleo religion," and I think that's where beans come in.
Frankly, we really don't simulate cave-times. We just like the idea of disconnecting our lives/foods from processed crap.
(both in food, and in life)
I can't imagine Grok had access to huge salads every day, or meaningful biodiversity of food sources. Still, we're pretty sure that's all fairly good for us.
It feels like beans, and a few other items, have gotten lumped into a "there is no way grok would have done this, and thus it is evil" category.
Part of why I love this board, is that Primal folks seem way more interested in embracing the "spirit" of Grok, but we all also seem to be interested in being open to science, change, experiment. Grok sure would be. And I'm pretty sure Grok would have done actual, literal, happy, cartwheels around his very serious zealotty paleo-hunter breatheren.
Macas are the best. And macadamia oil trumps olive oil.[/QUOTE]
Ok, I take issue with this statement. Let me preface that I have NO IDEA what the answer is and I'm just snowballing here. You could very well be right. I'm just saying this because I'm a very biased Italian who takes threats to his olive oil very seriously. I'm just going to state the following:
According to Mark, these are the lipid profiles of each:
3.5-21% Omega-6 PUFA
1% Omega-3 PUFA (not even worth mentioning, really)
Source: [URL="http://www.marksdailyapple.com/healthy-oils/"]Healthy Oils[/URL]
So on paper, the oils look pretty damn similar. If you get a super low PUFA olive oil, it would trump macadamia oil, but in the case of the cheaper, higher PUFA olive oils, macadamia would beat in terms of lipid profile. If you dig deeper...
406 F: Olive Oil, Extra Virgin
389 F: Macadamia Nut Oil
Source: [url=http://www.goodeatsfanpage.com/collectedinfo/oilsmokepoints.htm]Cooking Oil Smoke Points[/url]
Hmm, looks like similar smoke points, too, so stability is probably pretty on point with each other. I have a temperature gun and I can tell you that my extra virgin olive oil starts to smoke around 380-400*F (it'll go a little higher before it smokes if I toss some rosemary in it).
But, I always thought that the REAL benefits of olive oil were the polyphenols in it. Does macadamia nut oil have similar antioxidants? That wonderful burn of great extra virgin olive oil as it goes down is the stuff that makes it so good for you, so if the lipid profiles of olive oil and macadamia nut oil are almost identical, if the macadamia oil didn't have similar health benefits to the olive's polyphenol content, the olive oil would trump it. Hell, sesame has a pretty poor lipid profile with high PUFA content, but it has so many antioxidants, Mark endorses occasional use - unheated, of course! Is there anything redeeming in it a nut? You know how I feel about nuts...pass the legumes, please.
This is the best article I've stumbled across on beans, btw, (not to derail the thread)
Just wanted to post it for people also trying to figure things out
[url=http://www.paleo-diet.co/2010/09/beans-and-paleo-dieting/]Beans and Paleo dieting? « Paleo Diet Stuff… – Caveman, Paleolithic, Evolution, Primal, and other Hunter-Gatherer style diets[/url]
[QUOTE]I think for people who know NOTHING about nutrition and don't have the time to educate themselves are BEST off by avoiding ALL grains, legumes and dairy AND nuts and seeds. Seriously.
I think this is good advice. Not only for people who aren't up to or interested in reading a lot of nutritional stuff, but also people who ARE, but want to just get their diet in line quickly while they hunt around through the data. Which is fragmented, contradictory, and heavily threaded with BS and vested interests.
Grains and legumes are kind of bland, personality-less foods. I don't know why anyone would bother with them unless they somehow struggle to get ENOUGH carbs... which in contemporary NA culture is kind of like saying that you struggle to spend enough money. I guess some people may really like them. But I don't get it.
With nuts, I sort of got out of the habit of eating them, never bothered to get back into it. I don't like them enough to bother. They are also expensive as hell. Maybe except for peanuts. But it's about $2-3/100g for nuts around here. Rather spend that $3-6 bucks on tomatos, mushrooms and peppers.
It really is a lot less complicated to just deprogram yourself from the cultural food rituals around not only grains, but also dairy and nuts. I wonder if so many people actually like them at all, as opposed to just have lifelong family-reinforced habits of eating them.
nuts make good finger food while working (and at the bar)
they've nicely replaced chips for me.
i think they're the next thing i whittle down.
all the almond flour buns and such probably haven't set me in the right direction either. (except that they're low carb and delicious...)
I have a soft spot for steel cut oatmeal mixed with 82% dark chocolate and stevia, since I [I]usually[/I] avoid sweets it tastes like chocolate pudding. But I try to only eat it after doing a workout with squats or deadlifts.