[QUOTE=StoneAgeQueen;264409]If people think it's the calories and not the carbs, then maybe they should try an experiment. On week 1 eat 2000 calories worth of bread. On Week 2, eat 2000 worth of fat. Measure weight gain/loss for both periods.[/QUOTE]
Ancel keys performed a starvation diet shortly after ww2 where young men spent some weeks eating 1800 cals a day of high carb crap. They looked like they had just come out of a concentration camp at the end.
John Yudkin repeated the study many years later, except he used a meat and vegetables based diet and the participants did not end up looking like scarecrows but lean and muscled.
If I can find the links to the studies I'll post them.
A quick search returned a hit to Dr Eades talking about the two studies:
And I was wrong, they were eating just under 1600 calories a day, not 1800.
[QUOTE=slowcooker;264437]Hold on a second.. was Mark recommending legumes in that first post?[/QUOTE]
Yeah, he was. I noticed that too. Possibly a less highly evolved form of Primal?
Also the first and second posts directly contradict each other about the need to count calories.
Bump because this is exactly what I have found through 7 weeks of eating.
[QUOTE=NDF;264416]I haven't done that exact experiment, but I have compared low carb-high fat-moderate protein dieting with high carb-low fat-moderate protein diet at 1300 calories. I did both for 6 weeks each. Exercise amounts were the same. [B]I can tell you that weight loss was the exact same BUT I felt much better on the low carb high fat moderate protein because I rarely felt hungry.[/B][/QUOTE]
THIS is the key.