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  • #61
    Originally posted by Derpamix View Post
    Wtf, this guy is being added to my quack watch list right along with the guy who things his vascularity is a sign of a connection with the cosmic pull of the planet, and worse than both, Mercola, who thinks you should get your vitamin d from tanning beds.
    That guy ranks right up there on my quack list right behind the guy selling MMS (Miracle Mineral Supplement) which supposedly cures everything from hangnails to herpes to cancer. Know what it is? Pool disinfectant. The vomiting and runs you get from it are called "detox" symptoms. Could also be that you just ingested a poison.

    Goodness people are gullible. But people preying on the desperation of those with cancer to give them completely baseless and often fatal "treatments" while separating them from their money in their last days should be consigned to a special level of hell.
    Last edited by Paleobird; 08-14-2013, 02:48 PM.

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    • #62
      That guy calls himself Bishop too.

      People are gullible because in this world, they're used to being told what to do by someone else. It atrophies the common sense in people.
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      • #63
        Originally posted by Derpamix View Post
        Grizz:




        Why?


        Why? Calcium is an alkalizing mineral, phosphorus is acidifying.


        Why? How do you explain the fact that organ meats(and probably all meats) such as beef liver leave behind an alkaline ash? Is this because: Your stomach is so acidic that you can't even significantly change the acidity of your stomach, much less your blood.

        pls respond.
        Mark Sisson will explain:

        Plants Preserve Muscle Mass
        59405056 eb575da430We’ve always been dear friends, staunch allies, and devoted advocates for our edible friends in the plant kingdom. Whatever craziness descends upon our lives and our society, there’s sanity, indeed healthful respite in a bountiful, brimming, vibrant dinner plate of vegetables.

        And now there’s even more reason for veggie veneration. Research from Tufts University funded by the Agricultural Research Service suggests that potassium-rich plant foods can help older men and women maintain their lean muscle mass.

        “What?! Well, I’ll be damned.” We know! We said it too!

        We’ve always loved vegetables (and their fruit compatriots) for their antioxidants, their minerals, their fiber. But this had us bowing down at the cornucopia, we have to say.

        The researchers followed 384 men and women age 65 years or older for a total of three years, measuring urinary potassium excretion, which was “significantly positively associated” with the maintenance of lean muscle mass levels.

        Their urinary potassium was measured at the start of the study, and their dietary data was collected at 18 months. Based on regression models, volunteers whose diets were rich in potassium could expect to have 3.6 more pounds of lean tissue mass than volunteers with half the higher potassium intake. That almost offsets the 4.4 pounds of lean tissue that is typically lost in a decade in healthy men and women aged 65 and above, according to authors.

        via Science Daily

        The researchers suggest that “net [dietary] acid load” impacts the preservation of lean muscle mass in later years. Cereals and proteins contribute to the acidity of the diet and over many years can result in a “metabolic acidosis” that the researchers say correlates with sarcopenia, or muscle loss. Fruits and vegetables, even if they are acidic themselves, are processed or metabolized by the body to alkaline “residues.” These alkaline residues appear to counteract dietary acidity and significantly lessen or prevent acidosis and associated muscle loss in older adults.

        The maintenance of lean muscle mass in later years is of crucial importance for overall health and longevity. Regular resistance training and a solid intake of good quality protein are cornerstones for maintaining muscle. But now we add another dimension to the picture, and wouldn’t you know it’s one we’ve suggested (albeit for other reasons) all along. A high intake of vegetables and low glycemic fruits not only contributes to overall health, it preserves muscle. This is the sensibility behind the Primal Blueprint after all: what kept our ancestors strong and healthy for millions of years is darn likely to do the same for us moderns. There’s some food for thought to enjoy with that lunch salad!

        Read more: Plants Preserve Muscle Mass | Mark's Daily Apple
        Grizz

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        • #64
          That's great, but doesn't really answer most of my questions. What exactly makes something a dietary acid load, when, what regulates body pH is simply the minerals(calcium, phosphorus, potassium, and sodium) and protein, which can change those molecules between being acid and alkaline depending on needs.

          If a vegetable can leave an alkaline ash behind, but other foods do too(meat), why are they a dietary acid load? Also, why does it matter the "glycemic load"(load of nonsense) to base this foundation on?

          This just seems like an unreal concept created by people looking to sell books. Would love to see the randomized trial, too, and various factors in it.
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          • #65
            All that article above does is show that adequate potassium is beneficial for preserving muscle mass, not that it has to come from plants.

            Salmon and yogurt are both excellent sources of potassium.


            And no you didn't answer Derp's questions at all.

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            • #66
              Originally posted by Grizz View Post
              When does 7=0, 1 = 10, 2=1,000 and 3 = 10,000 ?
              The change in PH from 7 to 6 is HUGE ! It means 10 times more acidic. The change from 7 to 5 is 1,000 times more acidic. Amazingly, the change from 7 to 4 is 10,000 times more acidic.
              What is a pH Scale? definition and meaning

              Grizz
              I guess this is beside the point, but you keep getting it wrong: The difference between a pH of 7 and 6 is 10, but the difference between 7 and 5 is 100, not 1000. And 7 to 4 is 1000. You're skipping a power of ten there. It's a logarithmic scale.

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              • #67
                This is all very simple.
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                Adjust our diet so that urine PH averages 7.0
                Urine pH too acidic? Then make changes in our diet per this link:
                The Top 12 Ways to raise your PH.
                Top 12 Ways to Make your Body More Alkaline | Icon Performance Online v3
                This works for me.

                pH is logarithmic per this link:
                What is a pH Scale? definition and meaning

                Go argue with yourselves about whys & Wherefores.
                Grizz
                Last edited by Grizz; 08-14-2013, 04:08 PM.

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                • #68
                  But urine analysis doesn't indicate blood change, or an alkaline environment, simply that those minerals are being excreted.
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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by Derpamix View Post
                    But urine analysis doesn't indicate blood change, or an alkaline environment, simply that those minerals are being excreted.
                    We don't care about blood change. That is automatically controlled by our metabolism. We also don't care about which minerals are being excreted. Our body takes care of that.

                    All we care about is the average PH reading on our urine. Very simple.
                    If the PH reading is abnormal, we change our diet per this link:
                    Top 12 Ways to Make your Body More Alkaline | Icon Performance Online v3
                    This works for me.

                    Stop trying to make a mountain out of a molehill.

                    Grizz
                    Last edited by Grizz; 08-14-2013, 04:31 PM.

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                    • #70
                      But why? What physiological benefits does that have? Sounds like the whole "clear urine" thing.
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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by Grizz View Post
                        We don't care about blood change. That is automatically controlled by our metabolism. We also don't care about which minerals are being excreted. Our body takes care of that.

                        All we care about is the average PH reading on our urine. Very simple.
                        If the PH reading is abnormal, we change our diet per this link:
                        Top 12 Ways to Make your Body More Alkaline | Icon Performance Online v3
                        All you are doing is making your urine more alkaline. You are not making your body more alkaline. Do you not get the difference?

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by Grizz View Post
                          We don't care about blood change. That is automatically controlled by our metabolism. We also don't care about which minerals are being excreted. Our body takes care of that.

                          All we care about is the average PH reading on our urine. Very simple.
                          If the PH reading is abnormal, we change our diet per this link:
                          Top 12 Ways to Make your Body More Alkaline | Icon Performance Online v3
                          This works for me.

                          Stop trying to make a mountain out of a molehill.

                          Grizz
                          If our bodies and our metabolisms are taking care of ph and mineral levels automagically, what are we measuring?

                          The only way that I could see there be some truth to this is if our bodies get chronically stressed "automatically" adjusting PH all day, every day. This effect would be unmeasurable because it would be happening all internally.


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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by dilberryhoundog View Post
                            If our bodies and our metabolisms are taking care of ph and mineral levels automagically, what are we measuring?

                            The only way that I could see there be some truth to this is if our bodies get chronically stressed "automatically" adjusting PH all day, every day. This effect would be unmeasurable because it would be happening all internally.

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                            The body PH and the Blood PH are not the same thing. Our metabolism tries to keep blood PH perfect even if the body PH is sickly acidic. It is the Body PH that is reflected in measuring urine & saliva PH levels.

                            Body pH and the Cardiovascular System

                            Does pH have a bearing on the health of or blood vessels? The answer to that question is yes.

                            How important is Blood pH? If the ideal state of 7.45 is increased or decreased by just a fraction of a point, the results can be sickness or even death.

                            If blood has a correct alkaline environment, the oxygen supply which the blood carries to every organ of your body will be magnified.

                            If cell membranes of the arteries and veins, as well as the heart, become eroded because of constant blood acidity, it can lead to weak and damaged smooth muscle cells, with lesions and tears occurring throughout the system. Damaged artery walls lead to atherosclerosis, thickening of artery walls, and blood clots that can lead to stroke.

                            The correct blood pH balance is also related to the correct ion balance. Acid blood causes too many ions to become positively charged, and affects the contracting and relaxing of smooth muscle, which can cause persistent high blood pressure.

                            Diet Changes Body pH

                            Your diet is the main cause of changes in the pH of your body. This is very natural. The residue left behind after the metabolic processes of fat, carbohydrate, and protein digestion is acid "ash".

                            The more you eat of these foods the more acidic your body becomes. Most fruits and vegetables will give your body the minerals it requires to act as a buffer, returning it to an alkaline or base state.
                            Body pH and Your Blood Pressure
                            So in summary, the pH Test strips are quick and easy way to see if our diet is optimal to maintain body PH at the correct level for optimal health. This does not mean a vegan diet. It does mean balancing veggies with protein. The goal is what we all want: A balanced diet.

                            Very minor changes in my own diet have resulted in my urine pH improving by a factor of 100 times less acidic, going from 5.0 to 7.0

                            Grizz

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by Grizz View Post
                              The body PH and the Blood PH are not the same thing. Our metabolism tries to keep blood PH perfect even if the body PH is sickly acidic. It is the Body PH that is reflected in measuring urine & saliva PH levels.

                              Grizz
                              I was quoting your words. I thought you'd recognise your own words when I summarised your statement. I'm mean it was in the quoted text.


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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by dilberryhoundog View Post
                                I was quoting your words. I thought you'd recognise your own words when I summarised your statement. I'm mean it was in the quoted text.
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                                Here is what I said:
                                We don't care about blood change. That is automatically controlled by our metabolism. We also don't care about which minerals are being excreted. Our body takes care of that.

                                All we care about is the average PH reading on our urine. Very simple.
                                If the PH reading is abnormal, we change our diet per this link:
                                Top 12 Ways to Make your Body More Alkaline | Icon Performance Online v3
                                This works for me.
                                The body PH and the blood ph are not the same.

                                Here is what you said:
                                If our bodies and our metabolisms are taking care of ph and mineral levels automagically, what are we measuring?
                                We are measuring urine pH which reflects body pH and diet.
                                This is very simple. If our average urine pH is too acidic, then we need to change our diet.

                                Grizz
                                Last edited by Grizz; 08-15-2013, 11:15 AM.

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