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  • Anyone out there read "The Vegetarian Myth"?



    I just read something appalling, but it sounds true to me, the same way that Primal sounds true to me, because it's supported by scientific facts.


    Here's the money quote (page 125-126, paperback version).


    "We're asking the wrong question. It's for the right reasons: we want a just world where every last child is fed. But our species overshot a long time ago and *it can't be done.* In the end, phantom carrying capacity can produce only ghosts, and they will be hungry ones. We're using up fossil acres, harvesting sunlight that's been stored away for thousands of years. Once it's gone, there won't be any more. "Facts are not repealed by refusal to face them," writes Catton. We - human race we - are going to have to face the facts if we have any hope of easing our way toward true sustainability while valuing human rights and preserving civic order. The alternative is a grim and ugly scenario of mass starvation, plagues, racial and tribal strife, misogyny, fundamentalism, and accelerating ecosystem collapse."


    I strongly recommend this book. You will be shocked. (And it will give you some strong comebacks to people who say "but eating meat isn't sustainable!")

    Primal eating in a nutshell: If you are hungry, eat Primal food until you are satisfied (not stuffed). Then stop. Wait until you're hungry again. Repeat.

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    I'm hoping for a good pandemic (with a high mortality rate). Would be nice if living primal makes you strong enough to live through it....

    The "Seven Deadly Sins"

    • Grains (wheat/rice/oats etc) . . . . . • Dairy (milk/yogurt/butter/cheese etc) . . . . .• Nightshades (peppers/tomato/eggplant etc)
    • Tubers (potato/arrowroot etc) . . . • Modernly palatable (cashews/olives etc) . . . • Refined foods (salt/sugars etc )
    • Legumes (soy/beans/peas etc)

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      Haha. LOVE that idea Tarlach. I tell people that we need something to wipe a lot of us out since the earth has way to many of us destructive little buggers. Always make people freak out.

      It would be nice if it was quick and painless though (i.e. AIDS is doing the best job so far but I have a friend who had AIDS and it is a miserable existence... he is such an optimistic guy though and his T cell count is practically normal)

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        I'm not hoping for it, but it will happen anyway. Or we'll hit the wall and the inevitable population collapse that will follow it. I think that passage in the book is very true.

        Start weight: 250 - 06/2009
        Current weight: 199
        Goal: 145

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          I think the UN demographers put peak population at about 9 billion about 40 years out and then slowly declining. It's based on economic development and education levels. The best contraceptive is a well educated woman! Italy, Japan, and Russia are already below replacement levels, I think.


          www.freetheanimal.com has a very good review of the book. I almost feel like I've read it!

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            I ordered this book on Amazon in August, I finally got an email 2 days ago saying it's been shipped. Can't wait to read it.

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              I've read this book and I absolutely loved it. It truly does make a lot of sense.

              I'm tempted to forward the name and title to all the vegetarian friends I have but I don't want to offend anyone by doing that.

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                Funny, my Dad (who likes to speak out) often says that helping feed people grain in the third world is just prolonging the agony for all of us. Very blunt. The world is definitely over-populated - but far be it from me to decide who should live or not...

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                  That's the beauty of education of women. No one has to decide who gets the firing squad, it's just not replacing those that die.


                  Sort of like corporate downsizing by not hiring but on a global scale!


                  What I find fascinating is that unspoken, so far, will be a whole new economy. Growth of business by increased population will disappear, except for local shifts. Real estate and other resources will LOSE value and could conceivably, ultimately, become a burden for owners.


                  This has already happened in Detroit, where for years people have just walked away from their homes. Ultimately, the city has to pay for demolition to avoid having them burn up, become crack houses, etc. Better a vacant lot than blight.


                  I'm not sure how many were vegetarians.......(Trying to get back on track.)

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                    I love how you keep mentioning the importance of educating women. HELLO! It takes two to make a child. I don't hear you saying half the male population should just get a vasectomy to be on a safe side and still enjoy life.

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                      Education is a must for both women AND men. But women, as the childbearers, really should be first priority, IMO. Education among the poor is especially vital.


                      The problem I see when you mandate childbirth by governmental decree, is that it can lead to some serious potential abuses of the system down the road. Also, there are cultures/religions that believe that preventing childbirth is against (insert version of deity here)'s commands. Other cultural systems gain benefits from having more hands to work fields, or more mouths to feed to get benefits.


                      Third world populations are booming, while first world populations are slowing. Unfortunately, the third world makes up the majority.

                      Start weight: 250 - 06/2009
                      Current weight: 199
                      Goal: 145

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                        In Iran, all women are required to stay virgins until marriage. It doesn't matter how long the woman has to wait for the wedding, so when she finally does get married the child birth in the family are an overwhelming event.


                        Like Katt mentioned, this situation is very different from culture to culture and I doubt that we all would be able to confirm to the same standards.

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                          CC, education is not gender symmetrical. Educated men have just as many kids as uneducated, historically. It's only when the women get an education, do birthrates drop. There are a number of reasons, from realizing that they are no longer a doormat to delayed marriage and childrearing since they don't need a man for economic reasons.

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                            Religion would also play a very important role in overpopulation. Secular societies tend to have a way lower birth rate than theocracies.


                            I think CC and OTB have a good point. It could be argued that average men are hardwired to breed with anything that moves, and that average women, risking to be abandoned and having to carry the physiological burden of pregnancy by themselves, are hardwired to be more picky.


                            The empowerment of women would probably result in lower birth rates. And anything contributing to the secularization of societies would also help a lot.

                            “Every saint has a past and every sinner has a future.” -Oscar Wilde
                            "The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it." -George Bernard Shaw
                            "The trouble with jogging is that the ice falls out of your glass." -Martin Mull

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                              Something else to note is that in many cultures, men are already educated but women aren't, and it's entirely a power and control issue. Just as peasants were prevented from reading the bible when it was written in Latin, women can be kept at the bottom of the power structure. Also, consider those cultures where educated women are more likely to make decisions based on the health and well-being of women and children, unlike the men in power.


                              Men and women are both responsible for producing a child, but to have the education and knowledge necessary to take control over one's own body is essential and empowering.

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