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    Somehow I have been sucked into the vortex of an intellectual argument with one of my wife's cousins who happens to be the wife of a grain and cattle farmer. She is telling me that my belief of eating grass fed beef, pastured chickens is a large dose of propaganda, which is not healthy for me and my family!!

    I told her to provide me with the logical reasons why eating grass fed beef and pastured chickens is bad for my health, as well as propaganda...

    I should also have a healthy list of literature supporting my side, and would like some help. I can provide her with loads of information, but I am more interested in specific research studies rather than book written based on opinion.

    Any help is appreciated..

  • #2
    Will any of these help?
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    • #3
      My favorite greenmarket vendor has some links:


      • #4
        I can't figure how eating grass fed beef and pastured chickens could be bad for your health. Bad for your wallet, maybe!

        Zone diet on and off for several years....worked, but too much focus on exact meal composition
        Primal since July 2010...skinniest I've ever been and the least stressed about food


        • #5
          This should be a fairly easy argument to "win" especially if the threshold is to show that eating pastured meat isn't unhealthy (as compared to grain fed). However depending on your family situation you might need a bit of caution as this is more about a way of life for the cousin's family than just an intellectual argument about health.


          • #6
            Just tell her it tastes better. Done.



            • #7
              How about telling her it's none of her f'ing business? This isn't a argument you're going to win. This person has a livelyhood at stake and you're never going to get them to say uncle.


              • #8
                I can see her saying that the grass fed argument is a lot of hype, a waste of money or what have you but to suggest that it is unhealthy is just crazy talk. She sounds threatened and defensive and for the sake of peace in the family I would let it go.
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                • #9
                  You are in effect threatening her livelihood AND telling her that she is a purveyor of poison. This is family. Let it go.
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                  • #10
                    I can understand some arguments against "organic" meat - as I believe it is best for animal welfare to treat animals with drugs when appropriate for their health (which often means the animal no longer qualifies for the "organic" label) - but I'm not sure how anyone could argue grass fed beef or free ranging chicken could be "bad" for you.

                    There are some legit economic reasons for farmers to not go that way, for sure, but I don't see any real downside to the consumer outside of price.

                    But as others have said - this is family, and their livelihood you're talking about. Not sure it's really worth arguing beyond the fact that you, personally, prefer it.


                    • #11
                      Have her read "The Vegetarian Myth".
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                      • #12
                        I completely agree with all of you with regards to her being defensive, and that this is a 'fight' I will never win because of her mode of income. The issue began when I posted on facebook that I am excited to be receiving my grassfed beef and pastured eggs. The post was a general post to promote my friend's farm, and did not mention anything other than that. I have received a few emails from the family member since then and she immediately jumped on the defensive, which in my mind is a sign that I am right and there is no need to battle.

                        Having said that, I ignored the first few emails, and then she send me a long winded email about the propaganda and that I am hurting her niece and my kids...I would prefer to stay out of is as I know that she is feeling threatened and it is a pointless argument.

                        Thanks for the comments... and it does taste better.


                        • #13
                          Saw this on

                          Grass-fed meats improve fat levels

                          Eating moderate amounts of grass-fed meat for only 4 weeks will give you healthier levels of essential fats, according to a 2011 study in the British Journal of Nutrition.

                          The British research showed that healthy volunteers who ate grass-fed meat increased their blood levels of omega-3 fatty acids and decreased their level of pro-inflammatory omega-6 fatty acids. These changes are linked with a lower risk of a host of disorders, including cancer, cardiovascular disease, depression, and inflammatory disease.

                          Interestingly, volunteers who consumed conventional, grain-fed meat ended up with lower levels of omega-3s and higher levels of omega-6s than they had at the beginning of the study, suggesting that eating conventional meat had been detrimental to their health.

                          British Journal of Nutrition (2011) Red meat from animals offered a grass diet increases plasma and platelet N-3 PUFA in healthy consumers. Volume 105, pages 80-89.
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